1. Rachel E Nichols says:

    Interesting how Revelation only takes up a dozen pages at the end of the Bible. But two mediocre novelists managed to grind out a dozen thick novels.

    I recommend The Anti-Christ Handbook: The Horror and Hilarity of Left Behind by Fred Clark. I don’t agree with 100% of his theology. Or politics which is too closely intertwined for my comfort. (Just like Jenkins’s/LaHaye’s ironically.) But I love his deconstruction of the first two pulp volumes and agree with SOME of his analysis of Revelation better than LaHaye’s.)

    I plan on reading yours, Travis. It sounds far more interesting than the LB series. Please take more than 4 weeks to write and edit it.

    • notleia says:

      Love the Slacktivist!

    • Travis Perry says:

      The sales of LB were truly astonishing, granted how mediocre the series was in every conceivable way. Even the pacing–7 years covered in 12 novels? Seems pretty much guaranteed that even if you had exciting things to say (and for the most part, they didn’t), most of the novels would only have a tiny bit of the overall interesting stuff. A recipe for failure.

      As for the Anti-Christ Handbook by Fred Clark, I just did a search for it and found product reviews on Goodreads, but it isn’t listed on Amazon. At least my search found nothing. FYI.

  2. Could be interesting. Not sure if this is something you’re planning on writing or just putting it out there as an example, but it would probably need more nuance to certain parts of it. Like, showing the gradual steps required to make people isolate monagamists, etc. Especially to the extent of isolating it only to a few religious groups.

    Tons and tons of people desire monagomy regardless of their belief system. And even liberal social beliefs would be pretty well against the idea of trying to force everyone into polygamy and paganism. Not everyone even wants to be religious, and plenty of people want to be ace/aro. Or only want to be with one person out of preference, even if in terms of beliefs they don’t think polygamy is bad. So many liberals would rail against the antichrist taking away free choice regardless of what they believed about Christian’s at that point.

    Others would probably question assertions made about the aliens. Being bird like wouldn’t have anything to do with the aliens mating for life. Their nature and existence would have nothing to do with bird biology, seeing as they’re two separate creatures and I guess the aliens are asserting they were around long before modern earth creatures. And not all bird species mate for life. Also, it would be hard to enforce true polygamy for everyone. People could pretend to be polygamous but not actually be that. So there would be reasons for skepticism from many groups aside from Christians.

    So there would need to be a ton of nuance, as well as a detailed exploration on how society could actually shift into everyone trying to destroy every Christian/monagamist/etc. Though that complexity would be a good thing, since it would add more detail and give more content, as far as the chaos the world would plunge into.

    • Travis Perry says:

      Commenting in reverse order:

      Nuance is generally better than lack of nuance, true. 🙂

      Being bird-like in physical form would not necessarily relate to the common reality among many species of birds that they are naturally monogamous, that’s true. But in the story the claim would be made that Jehovah has bird-like aspects and also looks like a bird. At least as I conceived of it.

      As far as monogamy is concerned, the Antichrist would say that the aliens selected in Abraham (a man still loyal to sterile Sarah) someone who had a random mutation that favored monogamy. And the aliens have tried various ways to insert that gene into the human race, but found the genetics wasn’t enough–the real difference was cultural. So they engaged in cultural engineering as well as genetic engineering. Yes, a lot of detail would need to be added to make that more convincing, but I think it could be done.

      Based on what I said in the previous paragraph, the Antichrist would not forbid monogamy, but would forbid any doctrine or teaching that said monogamy was idea–at least at first. Eventually there would be policies to actively encourage sex outside of monogamous marriage “in defiance of the aliens telling us how to be human.”

      As for people not wanting to be religious, I think that’s mostly a temporary cultural affect of the here and now. I think people actually are as an overall group, naturally religious, and seek some form of religious expression. So it will never happen that the majority of any nation will become atheists by conviction (I would say) but it can be true that the majority will adopt religion that celebrates many things expressly forbidden by the Bible–that’s already happened, in fact.

      But of course the Antichrist in this story would not forbid people from being non-religious. But he’d give reasons for people to partake in new religious rituals anyway, even if they believed it was hokum…

      Yeah, as far as the story developing, things would have to come in steps, but steps can come in fairly rapid succession when circumstances are right. E.g. the French revolution, the rise of the Nazi party, the rise of various Communist governments. Rarely did they change everything all at once–things went through a progression.

      Though you do bring up a real risk in a fictional novel. It’s possible for these kinds of changes to happen even more quickly in reality than what would seem realistic in a novel.

      As for actually writing this idea, I don’t know. It’s not a top priority. Maybe someday–so for now, I’m just using it as an example.

      • Yeah, it’s probably mostly about substantiating the changes and making them feel real. Both in terms of a logical progression and actually having those changes feel real through the characters’ perspectives.

        I think another common mistake Christians(or even people of other groups) commit is to make it all about their group. As if it would mostly/only be Christians and maybe Jews fighting the bad guys. And that all the bad guys would be specifically out for Christians, etc.

        But even if Christians got picked on a lot, in real life, a situation like the one you proposed in your idea would probably plunge everything into fear and chaos. So many people would be ripping each other apart in different ways for different reasons, irregardless of belief system…so that’s probably something people should keep in mind when writing end times fiction.

  3. Jes Drew says:

    My family and I have actually been discussing the possibility that the antichrist would twist the end times into an alien invasion. That’s one of the reasons I believe demons are trying so hard to make it seem like aliens are real, to set people up for a grand deceit.

What do you think?