1. Kessie says:

    Wow, what a poem. That’s fantastic.
    For me, I enjoy reading both. There’s lots of fairytale adapts out there that put a new spin on a familiar tale (like The Rose Daughter or Spindles’ End, by Robin McKinley, or Ella Enchanted by Gail Carson Levine). About halfway through, you realize what fairytale it is, and start watching to see if it will turn out like the fairytale does. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t.
    But it’s fun to read books that create their own mythos, too. The Chrestomanci books imagine the Twelve Related Worlds, where an enchanter with nine lives is the only one powerful enough to keep other magic users in line. Basically, his job is to keep the world from going the way it goes in the Bartimaeus trilogy, where the world is run by evil wizards and their demons. (Different author, though.)
    I’ve never personally adapted a fairytale, but I’ve written lots of fanfiction, so I imagine they’d be similar. I think it’d be fun to take an established story and characters, flesh out the characters and possibly recast their world so it’s new and unexpected.
    Making up your own fantasy world is a little tougher, because you have to start from scratch. You get to mess with things like planet rotation, climates, races, languages, currency, government, ecology, and the list goes on and on. Not that you’ll put it in the book, but you have to know it in order to write the story there.

    • I’ve never written fan fiction or adapted a fairy tale. I think it would be interesting to give it a try, though.

      Interesting to see your diversity, Kessie. I love hearing that. When marketing people like to box readers in, I tend to bristle a bit. 😉

      • Kessie says:

        Do you know that one fairytale about the girl whose seven brothers get turned in swans, and in order to change them back, she has to weave them coats made out of stinging nettles and never speak a word, and while she’s doing this, the townsfolk are going to burn her as a witch?
        Yeah, I always thought I’d love to either see that turned into a novel, or adapt it myself. It goes back to that “sibling love” that’s seldom seen in books these days. 🙂

      • Galadriel says:

        Kessie, what you should read is Birdwing by Rafe Martin. It focuses on that boy from the fairy tale–a huge tearjerker but so beautiful.

      • Kessie says:

        Galadriel: No, I had never heard of that book! It’s on my list now, thanks so much!

  2. Mythopoeic fiction is the genre that I most enjoy reading, and (more or less) which I have found myself writing. When I have to explain this, I tend to resort to sending people to the Mythopoeic Society’s web page; I’ve found the Wikipedia page particularly unhelpful.
    I think the answer to your questions amounts to “whatever works” and “Your Mileage May Vary”: I enjoy reading both fairy tale retellings, reimaginings of traditional fantasy elements, and entirely new concepts, so long as it’s well done and it never makes me say, “Wait a minute … doesn’t that contradict what you said back there …” As a writer, I don’t limit myself to one or the other; I borrow some elements “straight”, turn others on their heads (I’ll have a post on my blog next Monday about what I’m doing with dwarves, for example), utterly reimagine yet others, and then create still other apparently-entirely-new ones.
    Also, as my familiarity with the Mythopoeic Society makes me clearly aware, mythopoeic fiction isn’t limited to fantasy. Many subgenres of science fiction also require the sort of worldbuilding that lends itself to “mythopoeia”, and some authors even go to the extent of inventing myths for their characters to cite (“the Maiden of the Lake” in Bujold’s Vorkosigan Saga, for example). And the Space Trilogy is arguably science fiction (if not based in very good science).

    • Galadriel says:

      As for the Space Trilogy, some of the scientific failures are deliberate (the canals on Mars) and some of them are just…zeerust.

      • Well, yesbut … Lewis is explicitly (cf. his posthumous essay “A Reply to Professor Haldane”) using just enough “technical” details, which he himself didn’t care about, to make his “romances” or “fantasies” plausible to the SF-reading public. But this is apparently enough that the critics criticized his bad science, instead of ignoring it as just another fantastic detail (which is how we treat apparently-bad science in strict fantasy), and in the modern understanding of science fiction (including both “space opera” and “hard” SF where the science is economics, biology, sociology, or any of the other “soft” sciences) at least That Hideous Strength, and probably the other two, arguably qualifies based on his treatment of his primary subject matter as opposed to the “stage dressing.”

  3. Galadriel says:

    While I like both styles, I think original mythopoeias imitate Tolkien too closely: We don’t need more Tolkiens. We have one. What we need is more original writers like him who aren’t afraid to be different.

    • Kessie says:

      Yes, and I get so tired of seeing his elves in everybody else’s books. C’mon, people, make up your own version. The Fey are really interesting without using Tolkien’s framework.

  4. Bethany J. says:

    I like both, personally!  I love to read creative retellings of myths, fairy tales, and legends.  But completely fresh and new worlds are fascinating to me too!

    I also write both.  My two longest-standing works-in-progress to date are a science-fiction trilogy (no basis in previous myth, entirely original) and a retelling of Sleeping Beauty with a twist (although that one will be much more original next time I come around to rewrite it again).  🙂

  5. Jonathan, interestingly when CSFF toured Sharon Hinck’s The Restorer, some bloggers took issue with her science because she has a unique blend of fantasy elements with scientific advances. Those criticizing apparently weren’t satisfied with “it’s fantasy.” They thought the incongruity of a society advanced in one area and backward in another needed explanation. I didn’t. I simply thought, That’s the way things are in that world.

    At any rate, it showed me how one little thing like that can be off-putting to some readers. It messes with their expectations, I guess, and not in a good way.



    • My point was, if a book has enough science-fiction elements in it to be criticized on scientific/technical grounds, it’s (arguably) science fiction—perhaps SF/fantasy, SF/mystery, or what have you, but still SF. Even if the science behind those elements is largely bunk or hand-waving double-talk, as much of the “hard” science in the Space Trilogy is. But for readers who aren’t accustomed to science fiction or aren’t experts in the field in question, they can let it slide by, just like I’d miss any incongruities in the police procedures of a SF/mystery, for instance. By contrast, to pick two familiar examples, as far as I know nobody complains that Narnia’s flat world is impossible, or that there’s no way that Middle Earth can be flat but wrap around for everybody and everything except Cirdan’s ships.

  6. Maria Tatham says:

    Only once did I attempt to write about a whole new world. My stories either take place in my one made-up world, or the traditional kingdom of fairytales, as retellings.
    It would be awesome to invent. Perhaps it would be good to go back to that one ‘attempt.’
    About borrowing from what exists in literature, one of the most original (and horrifying) books I’ve read was The Book of Lost Tales, which used elements from various fairytales to reveal their heart of darkness, all in the service of an important theme. About which type I like to read, it’s both: completely new things, and stories built from conventional elements.
    This is a good opportunity to think about these things, and be deliberate in our writing.

  7. Maria Tatham says:

    Galadriel, sorry to be so long in replying!
    Right! Absolutely no connection to Tolkien’s Book of Lost Tales. I goofed! The book was John Connolly’s The Book of Lost Things. Sorry!

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