1. My niece A. J. Bakke, a fan of GuildWars and WoW, has been writing gamelit on the lite lite side for years. After reading your definition, though, I’m not sure if she’s sitting on the line or inside the line. Can I tell her about your anthology?
    https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Level-Book-ebook/dp/B00TJ4YYAK/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=A.+J.+Bakke&qid=1590080812&s=digital-text&sr=1-6

  2. CreatureOfGraphite says:

    This is Autumn Grayson, but my username is getting caught in the spam filter or something, so I’m going to use my future company name as my username until I figure out what’s up.

    Anyway, Spy Kids 3 would technically be GameLit, so that’s one I remember from when I was a kid. There’s quite a few GameLit anime as well, like Sword Art Online, though I’ve only seen part of that show. Apparently Grimgar is another, but it has a darker and more serious take on the genre that focuses on character development. I haven’t actually seen it, but did listen to this analysis of it and found it interesting. The vid has a lot of good things to say about fight scenes as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheWyK1kmMY

    Also, a couple years ago I actually wrote part of a story that technically fits into the GameLit genre and submitted it to a writing contest. I don’t know how well the story would fit the expectations of hardcore GameLit fans, though. The chars play as animal avatars, too.

    https://tapas.io/series/Ascending-Spires?sort_order=asc

    I put the story on hiatus once I met the contest requirements, though. Someday I’ll go back and rewrite it, since even though it had a lot of good elements, there were also things I disliked. It was sort of a good learning experience, though. A lot of GameLit stories seem to work better because the characters are actually stuck inside the video game and may even have life and death stakes(like dying in real life if they die in the game), and my GameLit story took a different approach, where the stakes weren’t life and death and everything was more about the characters’ relationships and how their interactions in the game affected them in real life. Having reflected on it now, I know some ways to make that actually work.

    I would be curious to know what the controversies are in the GameLit community/why certain authors are hated. Especially if it extends beyond the authors not using the terms and tropes correctly.

    • Travis Perry says:

      The original Jumanji movie would be a GameLit story as well because it featured a story set in a game. However, the genre is mostly about stories set within a video game, mostly with the player of the game being aware they are a player. Which is kinda new…

      As for the politics of the GameLit community, I’m not entirely aware. Cindy is involved in a number of online groups and found some hostility towards talking about Christianity, but there are other things ongoing as well that I don’t really know about. (We could ask Cindy!)

  3. notleia says:

    GameLit generally falls under the isekai genre in anime/manga. And isekai has had a crazy ridiculous proliferation within the last few years. Sword Art Online and its spinoffs, Log Horizon, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, My Next Life as a Villainess, Ascendance of a Bookworm (<- my fave), Tower of God, In a New World with my Smartphone. My Kindle recommends is entirely flooded with isekai light novels like Bookworm, Villainess, Accomplishments of the Duke's Daughter, Reincarnated as a Sword, Magic and Soap, and on to infinity with bunches of crappy gimmick light novels.

    • Travis Perry says:

      I’m not actually sure how similar Isekai is to GameLit. I do know that when researching GameLit, not a single Japanese title or title translated from Japanese was around. But quite a few translated from Russian were.

      Does Isekai include play within a game in which the players know they are playing the game? Mostly focused on immersive video games? If the answer to that is “yes” and “yes” I would be very curious why there’s such a gulf between the Russian-inspired versions of GameLit and Isekai.

      • notleia says:

        There’s some variation, but there are deffo titles where the characters know they’re in a game, like Sword Art Online and Log Horizon.

  4. notleia says:

    I’m 80% sure some dweeb has already self/published a Christian Minecraft novel. I think I saw it on a article about the worst book covers in Christian novels.

    But this is a great opportunity for fanfiction. You can tell a decently original story within the confines of a larger framework provided by D&D, WoW, or even Stardew Valley (some dweebs have already made Stardew fic on archiveofourown.org, and that number of dweebs will probably include me at some point).

    • Travis Perry says:

      GameLit from what I’ve seen–and I asked Cindy to confirm I’m right–almost always involves creating a new game. That’s part of the appeal, creating a new imaginary game. It’s not really for fanfiction, though that’s also a thing.

  5. Autumn Grayson says:

    As far as stories with animal protagonists go, I read tons of those, but I’ll list some of my favorites.

    I highly recommend Everfallen by Alai Cinereo and the other comics in its storyworld and would recommend it even to people that normally wouldn’t take animal stories seriously. The lore in this story is awesome and can open up a lot of philosophical discussions. And, well, the chars are basically anthros, so it’s practically like reading about humans anyway. This is the prologue:

    https://tapas.io/series/Everfallen-the-Beginning-of-the-World?sort_order=asc

    And here’s the main story. Webtoon kinda orders these in an annoying way, with the newest episodes at the top of the list, so the first episode is at the bottom of this list. And if you’re reading it on a pc and navigating the list, you’ll have to scroll down a bit further the buttons for pages one and two of the episode list.:

    https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/everfallen/list?title_no=257822&page=3

    Off-White is another great animal comic about wolves. The art for it has been stunning ever since it got it’s first reboot:

    http://off-white.eu/comic/volume1/

    And of course there’s the Blackblood Alliance, which is about dire wolves. It’s been rebooted recently, so the story has changed significantly from the old one and is even better than it was before. Here’s the first page. Scroll down to the description of that page and the link to the next page will be there:

    https://www.deviantart.com/kayfedewa/art/The-Blackblood-Alliance-Page-1-628572670

    The old version is worth reading, too, though:

    https://www.deviantart.com/kayfedewa/art/BBA-Pg1-Final-63462018

    Lately I’ve also been reading a comic about deer called The Golden Shrike, and it’s pretty good so far. The author’s been pretty good about uploading new pages regularly, too. Again, the link to the next page is in image’s description:

    https://www.deviantart.com/doeprince/art/Golden-Shrike-1-758806117

    All Are Not Hunters is pretty good too. It takes place in a society of prehistoric animals:

    https://www.deviantart.com/panimated/art/All-Are-Not-Hunters-PAGE-1-774617610

    • Travis Perry says:

      Yeah, there’s a huge number of animal protagonists in various stories. I’ve seen some in GameLit, too. One was called “Leap of Faith” and the central characters is a frog, which is cool. And another is “Koala Online” in which a real Koala is the player in the video game the story is based on…but Cindy’s is the first time I know of that the game in a GameLit story is based on playing animals.

      In fact, I don’t know of any RPG games that let you play animals, either…

      • Autumn Grayson says:

        Hm…there’s actually quite a few video games with animal protagonists. I’m not enough of a gamer to know which ones are actually RPGs, though I’m very sure there’s at least a few, it just takes knowing where to find them. I’ll link a few animal games here for anyone that’s curious or wants inspiration for writing that kind of game, and I know of more, for anyone that’s interested. People have various interests in some of these games. Some just enjoy them, some people like the idea of being in a completely different world from a completely different perspective, and others are interested in animal centric games from the standpoint of educating the public and having an eye on the environment and conservation.

        The Isle(about dinosaurs):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfNcwP9ajbQ

        NIVA(fantasy game. Free to play):

        https://www.nivagame.com/

        Uneasy Pawsteps – The First Tree (story driven game about a fox):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPNUgGycWEQ

        When I was a teen there was another one called Wolf Quest, which is a free to play game that was meant to educate the public about wolves. Not sure if it’s still around though.

        • Travis Perry says:

          Yeah I did not say “no video games with an animal protagonist.” I said no RPG video games with an animal protagonist. As far as I can tell, none of the games you shared are RPGs…

          And in World of Warcraft and other established RPG video games you can’t choose to play a dog. For example. Not yet anyway–not that I’ve ever heard of.

  6. Autumn Grayson says:

    Oh, and recently I’ve been hearing a ton of great things about Beastars and can’t wait to see it some day, even though I tend not to care for anthros. It’s another one that is very philosophical and has a lot to say about society and psychology, so even people that normally don’t enjoy animal stories might like it.

    Oh, and recently I’ve been hearing a ton of great things about Beastars and can’t wait to see it some day, even though I tend not to care for anthros. It’s another one that is very philosophical and has a lot to say about society and psychology, so even people that normally don’t enjoy animal stories might like it.

    Here’s a couple analyzations of it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGvSOSCScTA

    • Autumn Grayson says:

      Aaaand I didn’t realize that I accidentally pasted the first paragraph twice until it was too late to edit…

    • notleia says:

      Whoa, I’ve actually watched it, and it is chock full of teh sechs. Still interesting ideas in it, but it has some serious furrybait in there.

      • Autumn Grayson says:

        I guess I’d have to see how easy those parts are to skip. If I get tired of having to skip stuff every two seconds then I’d probably give up on the show.

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