1. Autumn Grayson says:

    I write a lot of angel stories, so this is somewhat in the same vein of what some of my characters would do. There would probably be a lot of other issues at play, like the fact that angels might have to do some unspeakably evil things to blend in with demons in the first place. That would probably be of far greater concern than them lying(to demons).

    Another thing is that there’s a chance that all the angels might have known each other before Lucifer’s rebellion, and many seem to think that these original first generation angels wouldn’t be able to switch sides later on. If the angels knew/believed this, would they actually be able to work under cover? At least long term?

    So I guess it would partly depend on the author’s story world, in terms of how it handles angel allegiances even being able to change in the first place.

    In a way I’ve been vaguely surprised in the past when people act like angels couldn’t do anything wrong, or at least things that we would dislike or consider wrong. Some of them made the choice to follow Lucifer, which was obviously wrong. And even if they couldn’t sin, then what does that mean? Likely enough, they would be expected to follow some of the same rules as we would, but some rules may very well be different for them. They’re different creatures, with different jobs and functions than we have.

    Furthermore, there seems to be some distinction made for the circumstances/reasons behind certain behaviors that would normally be sins. The Ten Commandments say ‘Thou shall not kill/murder’. But clearly people were still allowed to kill during certain times of war. Lying would probably be similar, especially for angels. Lying and killing for selfish or needless reasons would probably be wrong, but there do seem to be some very narrow circumstances where it might be ok. Like when absolutely needed in a self defense situation. Or, in the case of angels, to combat demons.

    Some of my angels behave differently based on what story universe they’re in. But another thing I do is have behavioral differences manifest when they’re in their original spiritual form vs when their spirit is occupying a physical form.

    • Travis Perry says:

      Yeah, the fact all the angels and demons could know each other could be a real problem for this idea…though angels could perhaps capture a specific demon and hold it prisoner, while an angel takes the role of that specific demon. So it still could work, even if these spiritual beings all have eidetic memories and all know each other (which perhaps might not be the case).

      As far as distinctions go, that maybe lying is not a sin at all times, I didn’t spell it out, but my mention of military deception might be a case where lying is considered OK. So I was thinking along your lines, but I didn’t explain in detail. I’m not really comfortable with that notion–acceptable lies–to be frank, but there might be something to it.

      And as far as angels having to fool the demons, yeah, lying to them would be just the beginning, I’m sure. But this is the same kind of problem secret agents and deep undercover police face as well, right? They are not supposed to commit crimes, but they have to appear as if they DO commit crimes–I think that kind of tension would be interesting with angelic beings.

      • Autumn Grayson says:

        Yeah, I agree. And the acceptable lies thing does bother me in some contexts. But unfortunately the truth can be used to manipulate just as easily(and perhaps more effectively) than a lie can. And then there’s a lot of times when people just don’t realize or care what the fallout will be if they expose information at a certain time and in a certain way. So truth shouldn’t just be used on its own. There also needs to be a healthy dose of reality involved when considering the motivation, methods, and after effects of revealing information.

        I probably would like to discuss that in one of my angel stories, though. The idea that maybe God expects them to engage in truth and lies in a healthy way and maybe gave them the psychological tools to do so at least most of the time.

  2. Colleen Snyder says:

    In Job, Satan has free access to God, the whole Heavenly hierarchy appears to be in attendance. “On a day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.” (Job 1:6) If demons are fallen angels it is possible that the “angel” that appeared before God in Kings was not an “angel of light” but was indeed a demon himself. Then he could, of course, be a lying voice to the prophets. And then angels (God’s angels) wouldn’t have to lie. Just a thought for consideration.

    • Travis Perry says:

      Interesting thought–one I hadn’t considered. But it would be as weird that a demon is specifically fulfilling God’s will. A demon offering advice doesn’t quite parallel Satan’s role with Job (who can be seen as challenging God and daring Him to prove his points), but rather would seem to make a demon a willing and obedient servant.

      That would constitute an entirely different kind of speculative spiritual warfare story!

      • The enemy is depicted in Job as having to ask God for permission to defy him and hurt his people. And some do believe that God is sovereign to the point that evil/sin only can exist when he allows it to for his own good purposes. I would question if the prophet misunderstood and described what he’d seen in a vision sincerely but poorly. I’ve heard the Jews believed it wasn’t a sin to lie for a good cause such as saving lives by getting an evil tyrant killed. So they wouldn’t see an angel sinning or God condoning sin in this text. God in truth only ever allows evil spirits/people to do evil, for his own good purposes.

        • Travis Perry says:

          The prophet making a mistake is an explanation I hadn’t considered. Thanks for mentioning it.

          As for what God allows angels to do, I’m not completely sure. The Bible is not extremely clear about all aspects of what it means to be an angel…

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