1. Galadriel says:

    I have to admit, drooling here at the prospect of tomorrow’s post.  I love the Ponds’ romance, and how it ties in with River and the Doctor…and the family relationships, as timey-whimey as they are.
    Amy and River’s mum-daughter interactions are so sweet…I absolutely adore it, and the scene where Amy said goodbye to River for good…:( 

  2. Timothy Stone says:

    River Song is bisexual. A grand pronoucement of Moffet’s. What in the WORLD does that have to do with anything? Other than Moffet’s childish, college kegger level enjoyment of “girl on girl” stuff. Watch Moffet’s wonderful show where Irene Adler is changed to a bisexual who gets naked to distract Sherlock Holmes.
    But that’s neither here nor there. I will not relent on Moffett until he starts to treat fans with respect, respects the Classic DW, and stops trying to explore the Doctor’s “sexual side”.  I will admit that most folks don’t share my view on violence ( that it is only to be done when absolutely necessary and NEVER to be enjoyed, in sports included, meaning I think MMA is evil ), but I freely say that being aroused or physically attracted to someone when they use violence is depraved and disgusting. That’s another aspect I find troubling and thoroughly unforgivable.

  3. Kessie says:

    Timothy: But River Song’s swinging lifestyle has no effect on the Ponds or the strength of their story. River’s another of those “oh she’s so loose heh heh chortle chortle” kinds of things. (Heck, she’s also the biggest Mary Sue I’ve ever seen.) But that’s only downplayed.
    I applaud Moffat for showing a stable marriage relationship. On BBC TV, no less. I didn’t realize they still knew what marriage was in the UK. The episode where Rory and Amy almost get a divorce was another tear-jerker (splitting up because they loved each other!).
    That said, I’m glad their storyline is concluded. I’m ready to move on to the new companion and new adventures. Also, next time you’re in New York, watch out for the statues.

    • Galadriel says:

      First of all, Kessie, let me address “River-as-Mary-Sue.” I can guess where you’re coming from, but I disagree. This author expresses my views much more brilliantly than I have time to, and it’s worth a look.  And my two cents on River’s flirting is that it’s a defense mechanism left over from her psychopathic upbring–it even has some support in her comment

      Never let him see the damage–
      Angels Take Manhattan

      And I also have a few questions for Timothy.
      First of all, where did you start watching the show? Did you have some experience with Classic Who prior to the revival, or did you start with Moffat? For that matter, what do you make of Davis’ era? 
      Because I think some of your criticisms of Moffat apply to NuWho as a whole, and not merely to Moffat.  The Ninth and Tenth Doctors had a relationship of some kind with Rose, and this video takes a lighthearted look at all Ten’s kissing scenes, both friendly and sexual.  I generally prefer the “asexual” portrayal myself, but I can appreciate some of his romantic elements because it’s never a primary motivation.  He’s dedicated to protecting his friends because they’re his friends, not because of repressed sexual urges. (Side note, out of all the companions, classic and new, about 40% were male.)
      As for “insulting the fans,” what examples do you have of that? Yes, he drives us crazy with plot twists, but that’s part of having a show about time travel! The same goes for “respecting classic fans.” I have seen most of the classic episodes and don’t seen any disrespect on Moffat’s point? I’m willing to explore your view, but I’d like to know where you are coming from first.


  4. To that I can only say a derivative of: pics or it didn’t happen.

    Seriously, a stray comment on Twitter doesn’t rewrite the whole show or filter all that happens through that mere opinion. (See also: actors having certain moral dysfunctions. They can still portray great roles in great films.)

    If it didn’t happen in the actual program, then it’s simply another case of rare — though these incidents seem to be growing — fanfiction by the author.

    See also: J.K. Rowling commenting about Dumbledore’s “orientation.”

  5. Actually, I knew River was bisexual from her very first appearance in “Silence in the Library”, where she made a comment that indicated she fancied everyone in the room except Mr. Lux (and that “everyone” included three women). So in this case “pics” are actually on screen and in the script, but subtle enough that a lot of viewers either didn’t pick it up or quickly forgot about it.

    That being said, I’ve been watching the show since 1976 and think Moffat has more respect for the spirit of Classic Who and the Doctor’s character in general than some other showrunners (including some who actually worked on Classic Who). I was on the point of giving up on the show by the end of the 10th Doctor’s run (something I hadn’t done since I stopped watching two eps into the 6th Doctor’s era and didn’t come back until midway through the 7th Doctor’s) but when I saw “The Eleventh Hour” and met the 11th Doctor, I realized my favorite show was in safe hands again — or as safe as can be reasonably expected in this day and age, anyway. And the Doctor’s love-hate relationship with violence and guns was well documented in Classic Who (in fact I’d say it’s a major subtext in the entire Fifth Doctor era alone) so I don’t blame Moffat for Eleven’s “shouldn’t like that, do a bit” comment about River Song not hesitating to carry a gun. Actually I found it refreshingly honest after the breathtaking hypocrisy of Ten saying “I would NEVER [use a gun]” when he manifestly had used guns on occasion in the past and had done a lot worse things to his enemies without using a gun (“The Family of Blood”, anyone?).

    Anyway, back to the main point of this post, I was very happy indeed to see an episode of television which celebrated marriage as something beautiful, meaningful, and worth making great sacrifices for — especially most TV shows these days portray it as a trap, a drudgery, a relic of a bygone era, or a joke.

What do you think?