1. Tim George says:

    The truth is genres have more to do with writers and publishers than with readers. Sure there are some who turn on Dean Koontz because he switches gears and writes an oddly funny novel like Relentless but even the complainers come back to him because, well, because he’s a good writer.

    In spite of this, I see publishers keying on whatever sub-genre is hot at the moment to draw some of that group to their latest offering. That’s business I guess. Someone recently posted that Stephen Lawhead’s “The Skin Map” is science fiction rather than fantasy. Their reason, it involved time travel and plays out in the real world. So is Stuart Stockton’s “Star Fire” fantasy because it has talking reptiles and the “real world” is nowhere to be seen? The line aren’t that easy to be drawn and honestly shouldn’t be.

  2. Jeremy McNabb says:

    Sometimes the sub-genre tag expands the audience, rather than shrinking it. Let’s say that I despise fantasy, but love horror. If I see something that says dark fantasy, I might pick that one up. If I hate mystery and horror, but like romance, I might pick up a paranormal romance, even if they’re in the fantasy section.

    Sub-genres and niches are an inevitable middle step to creating a new genre. What are now called “steampunk” and “dieselpunk” genres were once stuffed under the umbrella of speculative fiction, and yet, much of the spec-fic audience has no clue what either are, but science fiction fans almost certainly do.

    • Ken Rolph says:

      As I use the words speculative fiction it is a super category which takes in science fiction, fantasy, fairy tales, horror and all the other speculations. That’s the way it is used around people I talk with. You seem to be using it in a different sense. How is science fiction NOT speculative fiction?

  3. Tim, I think you’re right that the genre tags aren’t as much for readers as they are for those on the other side of the business. I remember years ago when fantasy was scarce, I had to ask at Borders if they had any. Oh, sure, it’s in the science fiction section. Huh?! In my mind, the two couldn’t be more different.

    I also bristled when I learned that editors and agents didn’t want writers to say they were writing for “everyone” as if that’s an impossibility. I doubt seriously if Tolkien or Lewis thought in terms of writing to a narrow audience of whatever make up. I think they were simply writing the best stories they knew how to write, and not surprisingly, those books are universally acclaimed.

    I see no reason society at large won’t love good stories, no matter what the sub-genre label might be. Think about the popularity of movies such as Avatar, or Star Trek. Go further back to Star Wars or Princess Bride or Ever After or Sixth Sense or ET or Back to the Future. Doubtful that the huge audiences went to those movies because they wanted “weird.” They wanted a good story told well and they found it, told their friends, and more people turned out.

    I think by labeling our writing as “weird” or for the weird as some do, we are chasing away readers.

  4. I think “nichifying” is a fantastic word.

    • Thanks, Rachel. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Gregory Spencer’s Welkening books. I reviewed the second Guardian of the Veil for Spec Faith (still over at the old site). He plays with language in such a fun way in sections of the book. I wanted to see more of those segments, but I began to realize how hard it would be to write like that for any length (it’s challenging to read, too). Fun though, to make up a word here and there as he did. Spencerizing, I guess I could call it. Or you could say my Gregory Spencer was some funation. 😀

      Becky

  5. Jeremy, I understand what you’re saying, but I think genre blending can work against a writer, too. A reader might say, well, I certainly like paranormal stories, but romance? There’s no way I’m reading a romance.

    Your point about steampunk actually illustrates what I’m saying. It’s such a specialized term that even those with no qualms about reading imaginative literature such as fantasy might be turned off by it. Why would we purposefully narrow our audience? That’s what I think sub-genres do.

    Becky

    • Jeremy McNabb says:

      Becky,

      You said, ” I understand what you’re saying, but I think genre blending can work against a writer, too.”

      That was the thrust of your entire entry, yes. What I provided was simply an alternative perspective. Taking a look at your “paranormal romance” example, if it weren’t labelled as paranormal romance, it would most likely have shelved under romance, and wouldn’t have gotten into the hands of that particular reader anyway. Think of Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles. Had they been written in today’s market, they might have found spots in “paranormal romance,” “urban fantasy,” as well as the much less appropriate “horror” where it was consistently shelved.

      Sub-genres let us escape what some call decision paralysis. Many good books are overlooked because they’re sandwiched into a genre with half a million brother and sister titles. Either the customer walks away, overwhelmed by the blurr of book-bindings, or they pick one title out of thousands, because the author’s last name just happened to start with the same letter as their favorite author.

      It would be time-consuming for me to walk over to Barnes & Noble’s fantasy section in search of something “steampunk,” as fiction sections are not divided into topical sections as the non-fiction shelves are. Sub-genres are, essentially, the fiction section’s version of the Dewey Decimal system. I can log onto Amazon, search for “steampunk” and pull up a dozen titles that are very likely to interest me.

      • I guess I wasn’t looking at sub-genres as necessarily blended genres, so I really did think I was making a different point, Jeremy. Sorry if it seemed redundant.

        Again I agree with you that the labeling into a small category can help those looking for that small category to find books that fit their niche. That doesn’t change the fact that many other readers are then shut out.

        I’ve had friends ask me what dystopian meant and others disinterested in what was labeled “dark fantasy.” I’d rather be talking about what a good story the book is, not what genre it belongs to.

        I think the labeling is more detrimental than it is helpful, but I’m just one person and obviously the professionals disagree. I’m sure they wouldn’t be labeling their books the way they do if they thought it was hurting sales.

        As a case in point, though, I’ve seen some publishers who are members of the ECPA take off the “Christian” tag on the back cover of some books (which generally is there to show the bookstores where to shelve each title). I surmise that they believe the label “Christian” actually narrows their intended market.

        Becky

        • Then again, those of us with insatiable curiosity follow new labels like will o’ the wisps. Steampunk? Dystopia? Urban fantasy? I’ve never heard of that! Where can I find some?

          That’s why I can spend all day in the library. Sometimes I stop by the Dewey Decimal posters just looking for categories I’ve never heard of so I can go see what’s in them.

          But then, I realize I’m not particularly normal.

  6. Royce says:

    One of my first dabblings in writing fiction was in the sub-sub-sub genre of cattlepunk. Only a few of my friends read it. Publishing was out of the question.

  7. Johne Cook says:

    Niches are something to be aware of, but only in a tangential way, as a way of adding flavor to something I’ve already decided to try.

    I remember our local Christian bookstore’s attempt at nichifying back in the day when they used a secular group to match up to a Christian group they were trying to sell on their own shelves. “If you like Fleetwood Mac, you might like The Happy Goodmans.” It wasn’t an exact science. Things have gotten better. “If you like Switchfoot, you might like Switchfoot.”

    Instead of confining myself to genre, I tend confine myself to quality. I read everything Mystery author Walter Mosley has ever written, but very few other mysteries. However, in the case of A. Lee Martinez, I am so in love with his hardboiled sci-fi noir “The Automatic Detective” that I haven’t read any of his other stuff. So it’s a tradeoff.

  8. Kaci Hill says:

    I guess since I don’t really think in terms of genre, to me they’re nothing more than descriptive terms – means of giving me some semblance of what to expect from it. I suppose it depends on if you see the wall as keeping people in or out. Dunno.

What do you think?