1. notleia says:

    Well, this is different from war injuries, but our culture disregards women’s pain all the dang time. It often takes YEARS for women to not get blown off by doctors for their chronic pain for stuff like endometriosis or rheumatoid arthritis. People scoff at giving women birth control to help with stuff like consistently horrible PMS. The question is more like, are women more sensitive to pain, or does the culture at large just penalize women for talking about pain even if they press on as normal?

    But I think the more valid theory is that people are more used to the types of pain that they experience most. It kinda reminds me of the time when my mom got worried about my grandma when she heard that Grandma took 2 Tylenol in one day, because Grandma NEVER takes more than one Tylenol in one day.

    • notleia says:

      Rando thought of the day: If we relabeled birth control as “female hormone therapy” (which is not actually false advertising, because that is how it works), would clueless people get less panicky over it?

    • I kind of think people get stereotyped based off the type of pain being discussed. There’s the joke about ‘man colds’, so men get stereotyped for being babies when it comes to getting sick or whatever. But then when it comes to actual injuries people probably assume men can take that better.

    • Travis Perry says:

      The specific type of study that shows men enduring pain better than women are non-damaging exposures to pain, like arms in ice water. Men endure such pain longer on average. It’s also based on comparing the same injuries between men and women and the rating each gender gave the pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Men as a overall group (with many individual exceptions) rate pain lower. Consistently. I also based my comments on personal observations of men vs. women receiving injected vaccinations and having blood taken.

      Are women undermedicated for pain? It’s quite difficult to say because there are no solid, objective measurements of pain that allow a genuine comparison between the pain someone is in and the pain meds they receive. There are data points, but no objective scale.

      I personally see the USA as a general rule as overmedicated for pain. So I’m skeptical women are particularly undermedicated. So which studies are you referencing?

      • notleia says:

        I’d fire up the google machine to see if I could find it again, but this weekend has been crap for doing anything requiring an attention span. Also, I need to take out the recycling.

  2. Very interesting, thank you 🙂 It’s sort of surprising to hear that amputation might not be that painful, since in a lot of cases it’d be cutting through bone and such, but I guess it’s the difference you mentioned about it being a clean wound or not.

    Now all I need to do is learn to get over giving chars too much of a reaction to injuries. It’s become so much of a habit now, due to the way it’s portrayed in media. But it sounds like, at least when it comes to certain injuries, the horror of the situation matters more than the actual pain. I suppose there’s also a huge disparity between how much something hurts and how much people say it hurts, too. Sometimes if I bump into something I’ll randomly say ‘ow’ (in a deadpan voice) even though it didn’t hurt at all. It’s almost like my brain just acknowledging that I bumped into something. But sometimes if I stub my toe I’ll just draw in a sharp breath(though sometimes I have more of a reaction).

    This article is really reminding me of different levels of squeamishness people have, too, though. I tend to filter stuff more through thought than emotion(though emotion still plays a part), so merely describing injuries doesn’t faze me at all. Sometimes I’ll feel revolted or disgusted when I actually see certain injuries on tv, but that’s more about the context than the injury itself.

    • Revolted or disturbed, I mean.

    • Travis Perry says:

      I was in Iraq when a gym where military people were working out was hit by a rocket, the weapon going through a small soft spot in the roof (that nobody knew about) and exploding in the gym. I was in a concrete bunker nearby.

      2 people were killed and 17 wounded (by metallic shrapnel). And nobody screamed. Nobody. The loudest it got was an uninjured person shouting for help. (And I was one of many who did what we could to help.)

      And there are other examples I know of too. Some (but not all) severely injured people are surprisingly silent.

      • I wonder if that’s partly an instinctive self preservation thing. Partially from the standpoint that it isn’t productive to scream, and partly because in a lot of cases it wouldn’t be wise for an injured being to draw attention to itself. So maybe we’re programmed to stay quiet in a lot of cases.

  3. Rose says:

    Eye pain is definitely the worst pain. I’ve had gallstones (with pain so bad that I was writhing on the ground), been raped (felt like being stabbed) and have actually been stabbed in the foot. None of those was a bad a getting a peice of iron in my eye that rusted. After only one day I was ready to gouge my eye out.

    There is a real psychological component to pain. People react strongly to having things shoved under their fingernails (which has happened to me twice it didn’t hurt that much but the horror was worse than being stabbed) or even just being shown pictures of it.

    • 🙁 I’m sorry all that stuff happened to you.

      Now that I think about it, I remember my fifth grade teacher telling the story of what happened after she tore her cornea as a child. She said it felt like a thousand tiny needles stabbing her eye at once.

    • Travis Perry says:

      Sounds like you’ve been through some pretty terrible things–you have my empathy.

      As I was doing a bit of Internet research, gallstones was listed as one of the most painful medical conditions–but it’s not a wartime injury, so I didn’t mention it.

      As far as the eye was concerned, the cornea is super-sensitive to pain and the lens probably is, too. But I don’t think the retina or the deep interior of the eye has any pain receptors at all. So I think what you experienced was probably worse than having your eye pop out of your head or be totally destroyed. From what I know.

      I once (while doing military training, actually) got a piece of fiberglass stuck within my eye. Day one the eye was red and irritated and I knew something was in there and I tried to get it out, not thinking of it as a big deal. Day two, after my cornea was scratched, my eye swelled up, I was in severe pain, and I had to keep both eyes closed because moving either one of them hurt tremendously. In spite of my pain-is-nothing attitude, I needed immediate medical treatment and didn’t feel normal again for about a week.

      But I’d say the few times I’ve had a severe burn hurt worse. (But I didn’t have iron rusting in my eye, either!)

  4. Tony Breeden says:

    Good information, although I do feel you pretty close to mansplaining childbirth pain at the start of it ?

    • Travis Perry says:

      Some courage (or maybe foolishness) is involved in suggesting childbirth isn’t actually the worst pain of all possible pains, at least not always…

      • Reading your initial post, I sort of took your comment on childbirth as a vague joke, as well as something that helped fulfill the goal of the article(comparing different types of pain/people’s reactions to pain). I didn’t perceive it as mansplaining at all.

  5. This is interesting and is something I’ve done research on. From what I’ve read, it is quite common to not notice being shot during combat, which sometimes confuses my readers. (I also had a character get shot and nearly bleed out due to not treating the injury because “it wasn’t hurting much.”)
    I would assume that being injured in combat is somewhat different from being injured outside combat because, in combat, a person might be too busy to register the horror of losing fingers or whatnot, while in peace times, they can focus on the wound instead of staying alive.

    • Travis Perry says:

      Jessi as you know, I lost a finger in a woodcutting accident when I was only seven years old. I was totally freaked out and panicky about it, but I actually felt almost no pain. Once my father covered up the bleeding stump, I actually felt more or less normal, other than sick to my stomach because of shock. I’ve heard other stories of similar wounds not affecting people at first in terms of pain. Even in some incidents that normally would produce a lot more pain because they involve smashing injuries, like car accidents, sometimes people have serious broken bones but at times don’t realize it immediately.

      Such things are strange and unexpected and vary from individual to individual. But there are certain rules. If a person is shot in a wound that passes into or through the body without obliterating any bones, which is certainly possible with rounds of a certain size, it is quite likely the wounded person won’t feel anything until the fight is over. But some gunshot wounds break bones and if they do, you feel it right away, especially a gunshot wound breaking a femur. Which is a pretty likely candidate for a wound that will make someone scream, or at least writhe on the ground in pain.

      Yeah, it’s totally realistic for someone to bleed to death from a wound they didn’t think was that serious. Army medicine stresses checking people thoroughly when you know they are wounded to see all the places they might be bleeding form, for just that reason. Especially if they have multiple wounds–the casualty might be more aware of a lesser wound, rather than the one that’s killing him or her.

What do you think?