1. Kaci says:

    Oh, just cuz:
     

    A worst-case scenario: along with the fun, whimsical things like flying brooms, potions, and washing dishes by wand-work, the Harry Potter stories do show what pagans today would call “witchcraft.” And it’s not just the bad guys doing it. And it’s sinful practices that God does condemn in Scripture, either in the oft-cited Deuteronomy 18: 9-14 or elsewhere. My contention: Even then, Christians strong in their faith could read the series, enjoying the true parts, and not sin. I believe we find this shown plainly in Scripture.

     
    This is the part where it gets a bit odd for me.  I suppose this has two possible answers (maybe more).  From a writer’s perspective,  I know firsthand  what happens when you immerse yourself so deep into evil it’s hard to pull out (which is why I think there’s a definite need for anyone studying or writing those things even for benign purposes needs a ‘purging’ phase after).   And trust me, it can take days, even weeks, to not feel dirty anymore.  From a reader’s perspective, I suppose the same caution applies, but I also suppose to really be consistent you’d have to say the same thing with violence, gluttony, gossip, and a million other things that appear more palatable for whatever reason.

    Sure, we would need to be more careful. We wouldn’t abuse that freedom or strength to crow about how spiritually superior we are.

     
    I’m not sure how the practical application for this works.
     
    Maybe we would not enjoy the material as much.
     
    So, I shouldn’t enjoy Harry Potter as much because some people find it distasteful? (I’m out of it today; maybe I misread.)  I shouldn’t be a fan of Beauty & the Beast because some people boycott Disney (who promotes all kinds of things; and B&tB includes magic, chauvinism, and bestiality).

     
    And we would certainly not go on publicly theorizing how the author is actually a closet Christian who meant all along to proclaim Jesus (something we don’t need to prove anyway in order to justify Harry Potter or any other secular story!).

    Well, it’s just a weak argument, and it won’t convince anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. If they’re in the closet, then how do you know?
     

    For Christians who feel they must somehow show Harry Potter is just as “Christian” a series as, say, The Chronicles of Narnia, but only its author hides it — I want to know: why do you feel we must prove that?

     
    Again, it’s a weak argument. Besides, now we’re headed into the secular/sacred divide.
     

    And what happens when another popular and well-written series comes along that clearly isn’t made by Christians but has truth anyway?

     
    You can’t legitimately appreciate it. 

     
    Scripture doesn’t share this assumption. In Old Testament saints, Daniel in particular, and among New Testament believers, especially Paul, we see Godly practice of holiness, along with culture-engagement and without fear of God’s-truth-opposing beliefs.

    Complimentary counter-argument: Daniel was a POW put in chains and forced to march several hundred miles away and serve a brutal pagan king who would kill him if he refused.  And Paul…was a book nerd.

    Neither of these cases took place in a local church, say, like playing a secular song to appeal to nonbelievers.

     
    I understand what you mean here, but I think you’re going to have to fight someone who’d say “If there’s no secular/sacred divide, and if the song itself is not inherently evil, then what’s the problem with playing a non-Christian song in church?” And some smart mouth (like me) is going to ask what you think about re-written bar songs.
     

    We don’t read of Daniel trying to blend ecumenically some of the mystical beliefs with his prayer practices, or Paul endorsing all of the pagan poem while saying it was also from God. But neither of those men, in either Covenant, avoided even genuinely bad stuff. Instead they studied it — Daniel while staying personally holy and giving God the glory for it, and Paul to use as a conversation-starter outside a local church for non-Christians.

    But we don’t know that he didn’t, either.
     

    Quote: I think Harry Potter is probably good clean fantasy fun for 99 percent of its readers. I’d be surprised if more than 1 percent went looking for the magical reality behind the fantasy. But then again, what is 1 percent of 500 million readers? How much of an impact is that?
    That is indeed quite an impact, and I can understand Sumpolec’s concern — especially with her unique background. We should indeed be careful and seriously, yet winsomely, address the risks associated with any kind of art or fiction. Nothing is without potential of being abused for sin. But that is because humans are sinners. We’ll take anything and abuse it. Is that the Thing’s fault? No. If I wanted to get into real-life paganism, I’d use any excuse.

     
    Well, I’ll be a bit honest here: I fight a draw toward anything supernatural, myself.  I admit there’s a couple times in the movies where I squirmed a bit, because there was either something evil going on, and I liked it, or there was something going on I knew I’d never accept in any other setting. I only tolerated because I’d accepted the storyworld of Hogwarts.  So I think some concern is legitimate here.  Course,  also to be fair, if I really wanted to immerse myself in paganism, it’s not where I’d start.  I’d probably start with a couple favorites that people read in high school as required reading. 

    Ultimately “someone else used it to sin” is also an objection without Biblical basis.

     
    Did you read what happened with the bronze serpent and Aaron’s staff? Both had to be broken apart and destroyed because  people had started worshiping it. They used it to sin, and the proper response was destruction.
    On the drums: I’m calling that an individual response thing.  I can see it being an issue if you’re trying to engage in corporate worship with someone who cannot worship to a drum.  I mean, practically, you can’t make every Christian musician stop playing drums; but you can resolve it at the local level. I don’t think that scenario has a blanket answer (which is why I hate situationals anyway).  But I think that becomes one you handle with a lot of prayer and discussion. And probably some good counseling & instruction for the newbie.
    More simply, I think there’s a bit of a difference between an ex-witch reading about witchcraft and putting the amulet they used to cast spells and summon demons in their hands.  Because, in all fairness, people did burn their magic books after converting.
     

    The day after the Wretched Radio program in which Friel dismissed Harry Potter as being without a clearly Christian “side,” he played a clip from an old Elvis song and mentioned that The Princess Bride is one of his favorite movies. Yet last I checked, neither the song nor the comedy/fantasy film mentions or honors Christ or His Church. In fact, both of them imagine (yes, even the song) a “world” in which God does not exist or isn’t a key Player!

     
    Let’s not get me started on that rant….

    All this applies to something like Twilight as well. Too bad. I dislike Twilight. By myself I can’t personally imagine why Christians would want to waste time with that series. We can ask those kinds of questions, and challenge others who we may believe aren’t making wise choices in their time or taking possible temptation sources seriously. But we should be consistent and not assume well, I know I wouldn’t enjoy it, so why does he/she “need” it?

    Well,  I say that about getting drunk, so…
     
    Oh, and I finally saw Part 2.

  2. When I started reading the Harry Potter series, I was an actual Pagan and edited/wrote a Pagan newsletter.  From a Pagan perspective I thought the way JK Rowling depicted the subject of divination showed that she probably would have thought Paganism also was pretty silly.
    But I kind of wonder why some people seem to think you can’t read a fantasy book unless it’s written by a conservative Biblical Christian, while I’ve never heard a call to boycott science fiction books because the author is not known to be a conservative Christian.
    Science fiction uses imaginary future science, fantasy uses imaginary magic. Real Pagan theology (or atheist theology, or anti-Christian slurs) can be found in fiction of all genres. And quite frankly I think the Christian who reads fiction from authors of all religious perspectives is better equipped to share Christ with people from these perspective than one who feels compelled to boycott everything that is not created by a theologically correct Christian.

  3. Galadriel says:

    My objections to Harry Potter and Twilight is mostly #13, but I know it’s that type, so…

  4. Adam says:

    Another great post, Stephen. I have appreciated them a lot. I think Christians fear “non-Christian” things because they fear contamination. They feel “dirty” as Kaci noted in her post above.

    But, to my mind at least, this reflects an Old Covenant way of thinking. In the Old Covenant the “dust of the earth” was cursed, and so any animal that was in direct contact with the “dust” was unclean. If you go back and pay attention to the clean/unclean laws in the OT you find that all the strange laws in terms of contact, it is the animals that have no barrier between them and the “dust” that are unclean. The clean animals have some sort of symbolic barrier between themselves and the cursed “dust.” There is, symbolically, mediation between them and the world, typifying Christ, who came in the NT and reversed the order.

    If a clean person touched an unclean thing int he OT, the clean became unclean. In Christ, the flow is turned on its head; the woman with the unclean issue does not contaminate Jesus; his touch cleanses her. As we are in Christ, what we handle does not contaminate us. There is no reason to fear; that doesn’t mean turn off your brain, but it does mean we do not need to avoid things for fear of becoming unclean. So we can enjoy blatantly atheistic literature without fear. Phillip Pullman has got some gorgeous prose, I’ll tell you that. 

    You asked why some people insist on making the Potter books “Christian,” like Narnia. You suggest they are still falling under the “it has to be Christian” rule. Perhaps for some; but for myself (as one currently writing a book on that very subject) I can safely say that this is not the reason. Rather, it is more about our ability to recognize Christian work nowadays, and I’m not convinced the majority of evangelicals have this ability anymore. Numerous scholars, including renowned Inkling scholars, have examined the literature of the Potter books and concluded that they are being writing in the same tradition as Tolkien and Lewis in many, many departments. That’s one indication. Then there is the testimony of the author herself, who has frequently said the books were directly Christian in intention and planning. That’s a second indication. So it becomes more a matter of recognizing the Potter books as canonical Inkling status, solidly Christian to the core; not so much a way of appeasing the conscience so that one can enjoy them guilt-free.

    I have trouble with comparing magical systems in fiction to any sort of real-world occultism – or Scriptural prohibitions. To me this misses totally the point of literature. No, it’s not just a story. Yes, literature is connected to this world and presents worldviews. We all know that. But literature, by it’s very nature, is not a depiction of the real world. It is a way of reflecting or imaging it by way of metaphor. Literature is a window back into this world, but the simple act of writing a story is to take a step removed from this world. Even shows like Buffy, which are much closer to real world witchcraft than Potter, is a step removed. Magic doesn’t really work; I don’t care how closely to the real world form you get to, it doesn’t work. Christ threw down the principalities and powers 2000 years ago on the cross. The idols went silent. The spells ceased to work. The temples were left vacant. Even this modern resurgence of interest in the Old Ways have recreated the old pagan religions in their own modern image. There is no form of religion that accurately reflects the Old Paganism. Most of it is invented, as this and this and this shows.

    Demons are real, but there are so many ways to influence people in our own world without magic that they seem to ignore it for the most part. I know a Catholic priest, Father Herman, whose spiritual gift appears to be exorcism, and who was a missionary in India for many years. He gets referrals from the Vatican, and two or three people are sent to him by the RCC for examination for possible demonic influence. He says people are possessed in India by demons all the time. He’s never encountered a single possessed person in America. He says we have far more to fear from pornography, modernity, secularism, consumerism that it is hardly worth it for demons to go to the effort of actually possessing people in this country. They are content to work through means, because possession is (according to him) incredibly hard work and the Devil is lazy. 

  5. Martin LaBar says:

    Thanks for this fine post, and for the comments.

  6. Because I can not find any other way of getting this link to Stephen (who doesn’t have a contact form anywhere on his website): anyone read this?

    Post-Conflict Potter
    Voldemort’s dead, but the struggle’s not over. How Harry Potter and the magical world of J.K. Rowling might begin the long process of reconciliation and reform.

  7. Melissa Ortega says:

    I have no issues with Christians who choose not to read Harry Potter because they feel they shouldn’t. What I take issue with on the Harry Potter series is that many who say this demonstrate extraordinary inconsistency between their reasons for dogging this series and their reasons that other similar books/films/etc. are acceptable. The Holy Spirit is not inconsistent in this way.

     And while I realize that sometimes the Spirit sees things we do not see and gives us warnings we don’t understand, there are too many suspect arguments to simply chalk it up to this. Christians reading emails or – worse – articles from the Onion with absolute false rubbish and hitting “forward” and repeating it on the streets, etc. without stopping to check ANYTHING to make sure it’s true – this sort of, yes, sinful, behavior (and yes, I myself was guilty of it) is what led me to finally pick up the books for myself.  

    I fear that Christians destroyed much of their credibility by the way they treated this series. They (we) didn’t just look judgemental, we looked kind of stupid.

    As for whether I would NEED Potter to be a legitimate Christian series, the answer is no. That is why finding it to be more and more so is even more extraordinary for me…like a cosmic joke in which Christians were not intended to be so but made themselves the butt.

What do you think?