1. notleia says:

    Also, the accents. The sexy, sexxxay pan-African accents. Mmm, yeah, say words at me, Chadwick.

  2. A.M.Pine says:

    Very thoughtful post, Parker. I enjoyed it! I can’t tell you how many times, I’ve had similar conversations! My background is pretty conservative and my husband’s even MORE conservative, so it’s been interesting talking with family and friends in our home educating circles. I think you hit the nail on the head when it comes down to personal convictions. I’ve really found that there is so much truth and beauty we can pull out from MOST things, no matter if they are Christian or not. Where we draw the line really depends on someone’s worldview and their interpretation of the Bible, most likely. And in the gray areas, then personal conviction kicks in on so many things. I actually think some fantasy is a closer representation of reality due to the fact that it keeps spiritual things and physical things in close contact. The separating out of the spiritual and real life is a harsh part of our modern world. To me, we can’t live without keeping in mind spiritual realities. Anyway. Hopefully, that makes sense. Amy

  3. It would seem that some people have trouble distinguishing between the fantasy that is the fictional world portrayed in the movie(s) and the real world in which we live out our faith. I enjoyed the movie on so many levels I will end up watching it several times, I am sure. To see the righteous values of T’Challa win out over the evil of Killmonger was a win for me. And then to see, T’Challa learn to share the wealth and technology of his nation with the poor of another nation was an example of loving your neighbors that we can all emulate.

    • Thanks so much for responding. You make an excellent point about distinguishing between the fictional and real world. I LOVED the movie ON SO MANY LEVELS! And I agree with your assessment of T’Challa’s decision.

  4. I really liked Black Panther. I’m not that big into superhero movies, but I liked this one. I felt like there was a real depth to it. It has a lot of strong women characters in it too, from Shuri to the Dora Milaje to Lupita Nyong’o’s character (I forgot her name). I feel like it really celebrated African culture as well, showing that even though Wakanda had become very technologically advanced, they had preserved their culture rather than being Westernized. I think there’s been this idea perpetuated in the West of Africans being primitive, but before colonization there were vibrant cultures all across the continent, and even vast empires like the Dahomey Empire. They also had centers of learning – Timbuktu being one of the most prominent. (I read a book about this recently, called “The Bad-ass Librarians of Timbuktu,” which weaves the history of Timbuktu as a cultural and educational center with a modern-day narrative of courageous people who saved old manuscripts from the Taliban. It’s very good). With that history, the idea of a place like Wakanda existing isn’t that far-fetched, and it serves as an example of what an African culture untouched by colonization could be like. True, they were more advanced than most would probably be, thanks to the vibranium, but even so.

    I do acknowledge that one has to be careful what one watches, as a Christian. But I think if one is able to distinguish fantasy from reality, and be discerning, stories with magic and mysticism can be fine. I am personally ok with magic in what I read and watch, and even write. And the mysticism and such in Black Panther IS tied to the culture being portrayed. One of the novels I’m working on is set in 7th-century Japan, long before Japan was reached with Christianity, so the characters follow Shinto practices for the most part, with some Buddhism thrown in (Buddhism had just been introduced to Japan about 50-100 years before the time my story starts, and there is a lot of mixing of the two in Japan even today). I was a little nervous about it, but I think it is representative of the culture, especially since the novel is historical fiction. So I think it’s ok.

    Anyway, that’s my thoughts on it.

  5. I took the paganism in Black Panther as representing the characters’ beliefs and folklore in the context of the fictional Marvel universe, a universe we already know to be significantly different from our own due to the known existence of superheroes, aliens, and other extraordinary beings. I can watch these kinds of stories without feeling any temptation to abandon my real Christian faith for a pseudo-historical polytheistic religion, for the same reasons that as a child I was perfectly capable of watching a cartoon coyote play with dynamite and fall off the edge of a cliff without ever being tempted to imagine that dynamite was safe or that I could survive such a fall myself.

    When Christians show fear of stories that depict non-Biblical religions, especially made-up ones, it makes me wonder what we are really afraid of. Is our faith really so feeble that a fairy tale about imaginary gods and spirits will lure us and our children into idolatry? I can respect the view of Christians who see fantasy as merely a waste of time, even if I don’t agree with them; and I can also respect the desire of Christians who have come out of pagan religions to avoid being reminded of their past. But I really don’t understand seeing a movie like Black Panther as a threat to the faith. If any viewer decides after seeing this movie to embrace ancestor religion or worship Hanuman, I think that’s a pretty good sign that they never knew Christ anyway.

  6. Ayesha K Mustafaa says:

    Just a thought- isn’t the Christmas tree from a pagan culture, the bunny-egg from fertility goddess?

  7. Travis Perry says:

    I haven’t seen Black Panther. (Sorry).

    But I in general resent inclusion of Paganism and exclusion of Christianity in superhero movies.

    Marvel has the full set of Asgardians, which it explains away as space aliens, but they are there. DC has Wonder Woman, with a full set of Greek mythology.

    What is clearly Christian in these movies? A few features of Captain America, a few of Superman (such as him spending a few moments in a church).

    Many African countries are VERY overtly Christian–like Uganda and Kenya. Is that the kind of Africa the comics portray? Nope, African Paganism.

    I’m not saying it’s too Pagan to watch, but I’ve been to Africa and it sounds to me that Black Panther is not representing what Africa is in terms of its religion. Instead, it’s marching to the same drumbeat as other superhero movies–which is: Paganism = normal, Christianity = invisible.

    • Travis,

      Watch the movie, if nothing but the worldbuilding! I think you’ll like it!

    • Princesselwen says:

      I thought the reason Wakanda wasn’t Christian was because it had remained isolated from the outside world.

      • Travis Perry says:

        Again, I haven’t seen the movie, so my comments are not based on it. But Christians have been in the northeast part of Africa (from Egypt down to Ethiopia), since the beginning of Christianity. So portraying an isolated African country as if that means the country MUST be Pagan is assuming something that would be true for much but not all of Africa (note that the African empires which were not Christian were often Muslim).

        As for Wakanda’s isolation, Wakanda has technology, right? And at least some of their people speak English, correct? So either they totally invented all their technology themselves with no knowledge of other scientific developments (unlikely) or reinvented the English language independently (virtually impossible)–or they actually were not 100% isolated. They at least had information concerning the outside world. But that information doesn’t include Christianity? Really?

        Again, I have not seen the movie–but that story premise strikes me as a bit of a slap in the face to the many very devout Christians in African nations.

        • notleia says:

          Just because they had info concerning Christianity (and/or Islam) doesn’t mean it was adopted on a large scale. Japan is a precedent; they’ve had missionaries since white people discovered where to go, but even today there’s hardly any Christian population in Japan.

          Princess Elwen has a point about non-colonization, tho. Christianity and Islam mostly spread through politicization and conquest.

          • Princesselwen says:

            That was what I meant–not that “Christians wouldn’t go to Wakanda because it’s remote”, (because that’s not true) but “Wakanda deliberately locked the outside world, including Christianity, outside their borders, meaning it never extensively took hold there,” which made more sense with what I saw in the movie. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

    • Autumn Grayson says:

      I wish Christianity or at least religion could be represented better in popular media, but people tend not to do a good job of that, even when they attempt positive portrayals, so sometimes I’m almost relieved when they don’t try.

      Actually… I’m glad Christianity is nearly invisible in the Marvel universe. The paganism in Marvel is often linked to character mysticism and powers, so if Christianity was in this story it’d probably be depicted in a weird Dr Strange like way instead of realistically.

      My superhero story has Christianity in it, but that’s probably partially because the story world it takes place in is far different than Marvel’s. The characters’ religions don’t really have anything to do with their powers, and the story is very character and plot driven, rather than action driven, so in that situation it is far easier to depict Christianity and religious issues correctly, rather than having to figure out how to turn each character’s religion into a weird superpower.

  8. It was “It Happened One Night,” by the way, which is credited for Clark Gable’s supposed effect on undershirt sales. #FilmNerd

    But you make an excellent point — we practice separating reality and film-worlds all the time. I am not confused about flying invisible jets. I am not confused about super-tech which can heal a broken spine overnight. And I am not confused about ancestor worship or panther goddesses or magical flowers.

    The film does ask some questions which Christians should address. What is our responsibility to those we see oppressed or abused? Even if it’s traditional or entrenched and we’re just, you know, used to it being that way? When is it appropriate to challenge the legal and traditional rules for something we believe is a better way?

    I loved seeing a less-common take on an African nation and black actors getting to play different or better roles. And I loved seeing the women being awesome not just for having opinions and fighting (both excellent features), but also for being academically smart. I’m showing this film to a friend tonight!

  9. Jozetta Cameron says:

    Hello. I realize this response is a couple of years old, but with Chadwick Bozeman”s passing, I felt lead to respond.  When I became Born again, the Lord delivered me from many things. He has really lead me to understand that entertainment is NOT just entertainment, especially for the Christian. Sometimes when I witness to young teenagers, I ask them what kind of things do they like. I ask, “Do you like Rap music?” They said, “Yes.” I ask, “Is there any profanity in it? They said, “Yes.” Then, I ask, “Would you listen to that in the Sanctuary at Church on Sunday morning? They would look at me and say, “No.” I ask, “Why not?” They said because it is disrespectful and not the time and place. The Lord would lead me to say, “The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.” (Prov. 15:3) I ask, “If it is disrespectful in the sanctuary, what makes us think it’s not disrepectful any where else?” Nothing is hidden from God. This movie clearly has Necromancy in it.  I fear God and understand that Satan is very cunning. He comes to feed on the flesh. “The Book of Deuteronomy (18:9–12) explicitly warns the Israelites against engaging in the Canaanite practice of divination from the dead: When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do according to the abominations of those nations.” Deuteronomy 18:9 KJV actually says, “When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.” I recently heard that BLM who are trained Marxists follow the occult, but it just made me think about this movie. I haven’t seen the movie, because I wanted to be obedient to not watch it. That came from the leading of the Lord to research it as well. Satan is the prince of the air, and wants us to be wise in our own eyes. We all have our weaknesses, which is why I am so eternally grateful for God’s grace and His mercy, but I just wanted to share that entertainment may appear harmless because it is “just” entertainment in our eyes, but it doesn’t mean that it is harmless. We are to be ye holy as God is holy. (1 Petee 1:15-16) We are in the world but not of the world.  We are so close to the Lord’s return, I just want those who are Born Again to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. (Matt.10:16)

    • E. Stephen Burnett says:

      Jozetta, this is a fascinating response that lends so beautifully to crucial issues for Christians that go far beyond Black Panther. In fact, I’ve been blessed to help write a book about this topic called The Pop Culture Parent that arrived just today.

      I do note that you haven’t engaged with this original article (or previous discussion) so much as used this as a springboard for sharing your own thoughts. 🙂 That’s fine, of course, yet it certainly would help if you had considered (at least in your comment) some of the points that have already been made about the common graces of Black Panther or its eager fans. Do we proceed as if the film is limited only to potential idols? Or should we also affirm the good, true, beautiful elements of the story, because it has been made by image-bearers of God who still reflect the original good created purpose of his world, and their ask to reflect his glory?

      A few of your other suggested questions add to Scripture, and are not found in Scripture.

      “If it is disrespectful in the sanctuary, what makes us think it’s not disrepectful any where else?”

      This is not a standard that the Bible itself ever endorses. Nor could we follow this standard consistently. It would be disrespectful, or simply inappropriate to the setting, to hold a barbecue, put on a diving-suit, or go to the bathroom in the church sanctuary—yet these are not sinful tasks!

      “This movie clearly has Necromancy in it.”

      Technically, no, it doesn’t. No one actually attempted to contact the dead while filming Black Panther. This was a fictional narrative; it’s a given for a fictional narrative that characters will do things that are (1) impossible in the real world, (2) meant to be shown as evil, but understood this way by the story and its audience, (3) portrayed as good (such as Black Panther’s respect for ancestors that crosses into idolatry), but that can be seen and discerned as evil by mature Christians. Why on Earth do we assume that every Christian is immature and will be “corrupted” simply by seeing something that contradicts the Bible?

      Again, this standard is not in the actual Bible. Nor could we follow it consistently if we tried. After all, you seem aware of Black Panther‘s themes, and we can presume you still love Jesus and the gospel more than you are tempted by things like (fictional) ancestor-worship.

      Your quote of Deuteronomy 18 is partly applicable, but doesn’t apply when someone (such as myself, or other Jesus-loving viewers/fans of Black Panther simply responds, “Yes, I watched that scene, in which King T’Challa has a vision of his dead father, and I recognize this is not a biblical idea. However, I’m not tempted toward the same behavior in the least. I don’t want to practice occult divination, and seeing this scene is not the same as committing a sin.”

      That’s another problem when we quote a text like this, and assume (rather than showing from Scripture) that seeing sin = committing sin. That notion is alien to Scripture—and it also ignores the Bible’s insistence that Christians grow to maturity, and teach one another to do the same.

      Biblical maturity doesn’t mean we watch every movie, or have the same resistances to temptation. But biblical maturity does mean that we must put away unbiblical traditions, such as the assumption that “seeing sin = committing sin,” or that if you can’t do it in the church sanctuary then it’s presumed unspiritual, or else sinful, to do it at all. Such notions have more to do with the “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” rules Paul disavowed in Colossians 2. Such rules have the appearance of the wisdom, but are of no value in restraining actual indulgence of the flesh!

      So what does bring this resistance to the indulgence of the flesh? Why, it’s the gospel of Christ who fulfills the law and died to make us holy—to make us love his actual commands, rather than the ones we make up. Without the gospel, we flail about for fake “laws” about stories and popular culture.

      entertainment may appear harmless because it is “just” entertainment in our eyes, but it doesn’t mean that it is harmless.

      Finally, with this I agree, but I reject the label “entertainment” just as I reject the notion that it is either “just entertainment” or “harmless.” Christians often use this worldly language to describe stories and songs in popular culture. When we do, we ignore the very reason God gives us the imaginations and talents for enjoying stories in the first place: to glorify him as his created-creatures, and to share in reflecting his image via these very human ways (stories and songs, however messy) in a dark, groaning world.

      I give these direct challenges for the sake of joy and holiness in the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

      I invite you to consider these direct challenges, and reject traditions that aren’t found in Scripture!

What do you think?