1. notleia says:

    Welp, more romantic than proto-dogs digging through the trash pits, which is the more likely way dogs were domesticated.

    Now I’m going to fall down the google hole about Otzi’s clothing, so see how it lines up with what I’ve already read about the history of textiles.

    • Travis Perry says:

      I wonder if your comment on the most likely way dogs were domesticated is based on archaeological finds of canine poo in human trash pits–or dog teeth marks on bones first cut by human stone tools.

      If that’s where the idea comes from, I think a bit of skepticism is in order–just a bit. Sure, humans could have adopted wolves after they were just hanging around the trash. However, wild dogs hang around human trash in Afghanistan (and other places in the Islamic World, where a cultural inhibition keeps them from making pets out of the dogs) and the humans just ignore them–so the dogs are feral. Note that these are descendants of dogs domesticated elsewhere in the world and so should be really easy to get along with–but they generally aren’t too friendly. (Yes, I saw dogs like this myself, in person, especially when I was in Afghanistan.)

      To get along with humans well, canines do much better when raised with humans from the time they were puppies. In fact, wolf pups raised with humans are reasonably tame from what I hear from people who’ve done that. So probably at some point, a human being adopted stray wolf puppies at the very beginning of the domestication of dogs. Which is not how Alpha shows it, but oh well…

      Hope you enjoyed your reading on Otzi’s clothes. Pretty interesting stuff.

      • notleia says:

        I think the trash theory is a small but not unimportant part, if only because it increased access to the animals. Cats weren’t domesticated (or rather, they didn’t domesticate themselves) until the invention of agriculture and excess grains that attracted vermin that had them colonizing near humans. I also have a hypothesis that it was kids who did most of the work of domestication, and they wouldn’t have gone out far in order to gain wolf pups.

        There was also that Russian breeding experiment with fur-bearing foxes, where they bred for ease of handling and also got a lot of dog-like traits like spots and floppy ears.

  2. As someone who likes prehistoric fantasy and stories where animals are important to the plot, your take on this is pretty interesting. TBH, I lean more toward Old Earth Creationism now days, and have loved prehistoric documentaries even when I was a kid, so that part wouldn’t bother me at all.

    That said, I dunno. If my family rents the movie from Redbox later I’ll probably see it, but half of me would be looking forward to the show, while the other half would anticipate it being cheesy. I guess I feel kind of pessimistic when it comes to mainstream live action movies these days.

    I agree that the more ‘cutesy’ stuff you mentioned sounds cringeworthy, since it’s painfully obvious that it doesn’t line up with wolf behavior or even dog behavior. I really don’t mind animal behavior being stylized when it makes sense or makes the story cool, but the stylization you mentioned doesn’t seem all that great to me. I could sort of buy the behavior you mentioned if the wolf already had a human ‘owner’ in the past, but I doubt that much backstory was put into this film, so it just sounds like the stereotypical Hollywood thing to add to endear the wolf to the audience.

    Thinking back to when my dog was a puppy, he didn’t innately know how to play fetch. I basically had to approach him, snatch his toy, and throw it over and over again until he learned it was a game. THEN he would actually start bringing his toy over for me to throw. But, well, wolves are another story. They are very food aggressive, for instance, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that transferred over to anything they were carrying. If some random creature tried to take something from it, the wolf would probably bite.

    • Travis Perry says:

      For me, the primary justification in seeing a movie in the theater as opposed to Redbox is if the cinematography is really nice and your home viewing experience cannot deliver that. I would say, for myself, that Alpha’s cinematography justified a theater seat (though note the seat I paid for in Mexico cost less than half US ticket price).

      As for the cutesy stuff, I thought Alpha was only minimally cutesy. Which was nice, because most movies featuring canines are cutesy! cutesy! cutesy!

      As I mentioned in my review, I had more problem with story situations that don’t quite make sense. Yes, some of those related to the wolf/dog. But mostly revolved around other issues.

      • The cutesy thing is probably one of my pet peeves with the more mainstream movies. I’m kinda used to the more serious animal stories I read throughout my childhood, so it’s kind of annoying to see how modern animal stories are treated. That’s kind of why I appreciate things like the rebooted version of Kay Fedewa’s Blackblood Alliance. She did a cute little short story thing for it when she was testing out colors and art style, but now that she’s moved on to drawing the main story, it’s far more serious. (It takes place in prehistoric times, too, which is fun.) Off White and Wolf’s Rain are also more serious wolf stories.

        And yeah, the things you mentioned make sense, too. Kind of sounds like it was put together by people that were either in a hurry, or that had little experience with snowy climates. Speaking from experience, it’s pretty easy to miss certain details about snowy climates after living in a more arid region for most of one’s life.

        The domestication of dogs thing kind of reminds me of a book I read as a kid. (Fire-hunter by Jim Kjelgaard, I think). That story kind of had an interesting take on how those particular cave people acquired/used the wolves(I think they were wolves, anyway). Some of the animal behavior still struck me as odd and a bit convenient, but at the time at least I still thought the book was fun.

What do you think?