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Why Are Batman and Superman Fighting?

Why are Batman and Superman fighting? Why did Man of Steel have to be so “dark” and “gritty”? Superman never kills!
| Mar 10, 2016 | 3 comments |

Why are Batman and Superman fighting?1 They’re both heroes!

Why did Man of Steel have to be so “dark” and “gritty” instead of happier?

Why didn’t Superman in the 2013 action film behave more like 1970s-80s Superman?

And why in the wide world of franchises did Superman kill General Zod and ignore the destruction of an entire town! He’s Superman! He’s not supposed to do that ever!

Badfan v Superman: What critics miss about 'Man of Steel'

Click here to read the 8-part series.

These questions get explored and answered in SpecFaith’s Badfan v Superman series.

This is an “animated” eight-part discussion from last fall, featuring Austin Gunderson and myself. We explain the contexts and intentions in Man of Steel. We show how Superman’s decisions in Man of Steel make much sense given his growth at the time, his hyper-realized world without easy solutions, and the crisis he faced. We compare with previous Superman movies. We anticipate the sequel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 25).

Do read the whole series. But in case you shan’t, here are several excerpts.

Badfan v Superman 1: Dawn of Rebuttal Justice

I would say that while Supes’ clothes-nabbing and semi shish-kabobing in Man of Steel are indeed illustrative of his imperfect state (mitigated by the fact that the clothes were being donated and the semi belonged to a man Supes very deliberately refrained from maiming), his destruction of Zod was both carefully calculated and supremely moral.

If Superman hadn’t snapped Zod’s neck in that moment of truth, I would’ve lost respect either for him (were he too weak or stubbornly idealistic to do what was necessary) or for the story-world that he inhabited (were he able to sidestep the problem by magically incapacitating Zod).

Badfan v Superman 2: Super-Nostalgia Knockdown

Superman v General Zod

Forget how a good hero casually murders a villain with this one weird trick.

Folks who have that stereotypical memory of the Superman character should remember: in either version of Superman II, Superman turns quite selfish and jerky, surrenders his powers, and goes a-fornicating.

Oh — and he kills General Zod.

Yes, the Christopher Reeve idyllic Superman tricks and de-superpowers General Zod his Fortress of Solitude. Superman even pretends to surrender and vindictively squeezes Zod’s hand before throwing him to his death.

Badfan v Superman 3: Challenging Cheap Optimism

Snyder didn’t want viewers checking out with the comfortable assumption that Superman’s magic would once again win the day, even if it meant breaking all the rules of physics, reality, life, the universe, and everything. No, instead Snyder wanted the viewer to nervously slip on those big red boots, put himself in Supes’ position, and find to his disquiet that it doesn’t feel all that different. The scale may be grander and the blocks and punches faster, but the same moral dilemmas apply. Do you stand in the gap though you know others won’t like it? Do you choose to turn the other cheek even though you could break the other guy with your bare hands? And, if you do, at what point does restraint become complicity? How far do you go to protect those under immediate threat? How far is too far?

Badfan v Superman 4: Able to Leap Expectations

There’s plenty of room for different tones and story types in the superhero story genres. Some stories can be “lighter” and less challenging. Others can be more challenging, as Austin mentioned. Why exclude Superman? Because he’s old? Because he’s not cool? That’s chronological snobbery. Or is it because we’re simply all supposed to be Marvel fans now and make fun of “dark, brooding” stories? This is both ridiculous and inconsistent, because:

  1. Man of Steel and its hero aren’t dark and brooding, only challenging.
  2. Marvel recently kicked off its own “grimdark” offering with “Daredevil” on Netflix.

Badfan v Superman 5: You’ll Believe a Man Can Die

While it was nifty that the first film made us believe a man could fly, it was absolutely crucial for Man of Steel to make us believe a man could die. Snyder knew this; he knew that Superman’s invulnerability, narratively speaking, was his greatest weakness. But how do you scrape off that glossy sheen without sullying the character underneath? No one — least of all me — wanted to see another morally-rudderless Supes a la Superman Returns. No, to be worthy of admiration Supes has to be a bulwark. But if he’s gonna be interesting to watch, we need to see him struggle and legitimately fear for the outcome. And that’s a matter of tone.

And that’s why Man of Steel looks dark and moody, and it’s why Superman isn’t allowed to just pull a Kryptonian Prisoner Nonviolent Stasis Incarceration Module, or some such nonsense, out of his hat at the last possible second. No, this is a world where Superman, because of his moral strength, is physically and emotionally vulnerable.

Badfan v Superman 6: Game of Tones

In fact it is Man of Steel that takes Zod’s death (and the deaths of people in Metropolis) far more seriously than do the previous Superman films. Call it “grimdark” or mock it for being more “realistic” if you wish. But the fact is that it’s the more-idyllic Superman films that treat death more lightly and Man of Steel that gets closer to showing death for what it is.

And if you recall the last Superman movies being less violent, it’s actually you who should check to be sure you’re paying attention to the media!

Just because a story downplays consequences and tragedy and plays a victory march at the victory, doesn’t mean a character hasn’t died and likely even died horribly.

Badfan v Superman 7: A Hero’s Consequencesposter_batmanvsuperman_whowillwin

Fans were criticizing the “desensitization” of Man of Steel when in fact that story was re-sensitizing them to the horror of actual cinematic city-destruction and death. And meanwhile, fans—who don’t know any better—were giving a pass to other onscreen superhero stories that arguably do treat citywide destruction and death as par for the course (it’s just a movie, folks!) and arguably do desensitize viewers.

The real-world criticism of Man of Steel may be a microcosm of how we also respond to real death and destruction. We don’t want to see real horror. It makes us uncomfortable—because then we might have to make hard choices, even compromises. We might be asked to condemn or even fight real horrors beyond the ones we’re familiar with. 3. Or we might find ourselves being shoved off the “high ground” we believe we own simply because it’s a safe distance from the real-world challenges.

Badfan v Superman 8: A Moral Cinematic Universe

Now that we know for certain that the fallout from Supes’ battle with Zod will be a major plot point, I’m ecstatic. A Superman who appears in court is a Superman prepared to confront the implications of “collateral damage,” vigilante justice, and public ingratitude. More than that, a Batman willing to actually take action on the premise that “absolute power corrupts absolutely” is a Batman who operates on principle, rather than the insipid pragmatism so common in superhero stories. […]

So the reason many people dismiss the Batman-Superman showdown is ultimately the same reason people complained about Man of Steel: they prefer heroes who inhabit a separate moral universe. Batman should trust Superman “because he’s Superman, dagnabbit!” If we’re forced to watch Batman develop that trust, then we’ll have to grapple with whether we would trust Superman, too. Much easier for such dynamics to be offered up pre-cooked and pre-chewed — axiomatic assumptions that allow us to cut straight to consequence-free slugfests with villains we can all agree we’re supposed to hate. We want our heroes nonthreatening and our victories cheap.

Read the complete Badfan v Superman series, or share your thoughts on superhero ethics, Man of Steel, or the upcoming Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice below.

  1.  Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, the second in the new DC universe superhero film series, releases in the U.S. Friday, March 25.
E. Stephen Burnett is coauthor (with Ted Turnau and Jared Moore) of The Pop Culture Parent: Helping Kids Engage Their World for Christ, which will release in spring 2020 from New Growth Press. He also explores biblical truth and fantastic stories as editor in chief of Lorehaven Magazine and writer at Speculative Faith. He has also written for Christianity Today and Christ and Pop Culture. He and his wife, Lacy, live in the Austin area and serve as members of Southern Hills Baptist Church.

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EricH
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EricH

I never even saw “Man of Steel,” but I always got irritated whenever people said the movie made Superman into a MURDERER and then explained the infamous neck-snapping scene to me. These people expected me to side with them, but I couldn’t see it as anything other than protecting an innocent third party. Dark? Sure. Murder? Heck no!

Anyway, you two have done a great job on this series. I totally agree with your point in part 7; if you’re still thinking about a story days later, that’s often the sign that it was a really good story.

D. M. Dutcher
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D. M. Dutcher

Recommended reading list on this subject, if you are into superhero ethics.

Frank Miller, “The Dark Knight Returns” and “Watchmen.”

Alex Ross, “Kingdom Come.”

Brad Metlzer, “Identity Crisis.”

Various writers, Marvel, “Civil War series.”