1. Jenni N says:

    Very interesting! 

    Something I noted about the Doctor’s pacifist tendencies is that his character arcs back and forth.

    Nine is very defensive; he’s seen a lot of killing recently (and I wonder what really happened on that last day of the Great Time War – what pushed him to do what he did) and doesn’t want to see it again… unless it’s Daleks, who he never wants to see again.

    Ten starts off fairly pacifist but when he’s traveling alone, his deep emotional problems get the better of him (the Racnoss)… and because he’s getting more emotionally attached to his friends, the more he’s going to react when they’re in danger. 

    Eleven isn’t near as pacifist as the previous two – he still hates the individual act of killing, but he’s getting more and more protective of his friends. (… and now he’s started a war. I want to see how that turns out for him… it would have been completely out of character for anyone but Eleven – and he’s fighting mad now, that the villain did what she did to the people he cares about… I do believe that the whole kidnapping thing gets him more mad than if she’d killed them because he’d not have to get involved — now when he gets involved, he’s going to come at it with everything he’s got.) 

    So I expect that someplace by the next season he’s going to arc back to being more pacifist again since that’s an integral part of his character… at the least I think he’ll think twice before starting a war. XD 

    (and I think, from what I know about the first half of season 6 thanks to the TARDIS wikia, they’re going to explore this idea of what the Doctor’s become more in the second half of the season…

    • Kaci says:

      Some days, Jenni, I’m just grateful I made sense. 0=)  Good run-down of all three, btw. Following the entire progression definitely lets you better see his progression as a character (and I don’t think I’d have caught that if you hadn’t pointed it out). And I think too, Eleven’s when he’s finally in a position he can start to heal, which, as you say, seems to be the thrust of the current story arc.  I’m looking forward to how it all plays out, too.
       
       

    • Royce H says:

      The first Doctor was not entirely averse to violence.  The third Doctor prided himself with his extensive knowledge of Venutian Karate.  Non-violence in the Doctor did not really come to the fore until the fourth incarnation.
      I’ve only just begun seeing episodes of the “new” Doctor Who series.  I’ve noticed that, whereas in the “classic” series the sonic screwdriver was a tool, in the new series the Doctor uses it like a beam weapon… often.

      • Kaci Hill says:

        The first Doctor was not entirely averse to violence.The third Doctor prided himself with his extensive knowledge of Venutian Karate.  Non-violence in the Doctor did not really come to the fore until the fourth incarnation.

        I haven’t seen any of the old ones. I saw most of Unearthly Child (or, at least, it didn’t seem like the whole episode) and noticed he’s still that relatively cool personality  even way back then.  Thanks for sharing; I’ve been curious how much of the new series is a modern spin on a show that might not have gone there otherwise (the sex/homosexuality stuff I just don’t see happening, or the ‘tolerance’ motif, or the whole violence/pacifism thing).  For the new series, I can’t tell if it’s author intrusion/cultural recontextualization or if the idea is the Time War left a bitter taste in his mouth. Maybe both.

        What do you think happened? Was it a cultural shift or just a new aspect not yet revealed in the earlier ones?
         

        I’ve only just begun seeing episodes of the “new” Doctor Who series.  I’ve noticed that, whereas in the “classic” series the sonic screwdriver was a tool, in the new series the Doctor uses it like a beam weapon… often.

        Yeah…I don’t think Nine did it as much as Ten, and Eleven  seems to think it’s Han Solo’s laser gun.  Still not quite sure what I think about that one. I still kinda prefer the Doctor who invents weapons as he goes along.

  2. Galadriel says:

    Wilfred [ offering a pistol to defend himself ]: “Take this.”
    The Doctor: “I never, ever would.”
    I was just watching that scene to make a fanvideo the other day, and that scene, coupled with his response to “a star fell from the heavens–” that says a lot about his character, enough for an essay in itself.
    I heard a quote secondhand that said you can tell if someone’s good by what makes him or her angry. I would add that after that, you need to look at how they act when angry.  And season six, especially the most recent (what did you think of it, btw?) really shows that he’s going over the edge again, but in a different way then the Time Lord Victorious, in a slower, slightly less obvious way…
    On a lighter note, I love your list of responses by companion–

    Martha carries a gun more than once; Rose turns the Daleks to dust using the Time Vortex and later herself shoots a Dalek;  Donna…slaps people

    And I’ve seen enough of the classic series to know this happens to an extent with some of those companions too–Romana, for example, or for an inverse, Leela, who the Doctor has to constantly admonish about her janis thorns and dagger…

    • Kaci says:

      Wilfred really needs to come back. If no one else can, he should.
       

      I was just watching that scene to make a fanvideo the other day, and that scene, coupled with his response to “a star fell from the heavens–” that says a lot about his character, enough for an essay in itself.

      You’re gonna have to remind me where the star quote is from. But yeah.

      I heard a quote secondhand that said you can tell if someone’s good by what makes him or her angry. I would add that after that, you need to look at how they act when angry.

      Well said.

      And season six, especially the most recent really shows that he’s going over the edge again, but in a different way then the Time Lord Victorious, in a slower, slightly less obvious way…

      Yeah, they’re raking him over, but I think in a way it may turn out worse than before – he hides behind that mask now, and it’s being ripped off.  So yeah, definitely agree.
       

      (what did you think of it, btw?)

      Rory rocks.  And I’m a sadist who likes watching characters pushed over the Cliffs of Insanity.  They had to hit the entire emotional spectrum and nailed it.  I don’t remember one wasted line or moment. You?

      On a lighter note, I love your list of responses by companion–

      Martha carries a gun more than once; Rose turns the Daleks to dust using the Time Vortex and later herself shoots a Dalek; Donna…slaps people

      And I’ve seen enough of the classic series to know this happens to an extent with some of those companions too–Romana, for example, or for an inverse, Leela, who the Doctor has to constantly admonish about her janis thorns and dagger…

      Haha. Thanks. Donna’s probably got the most aggressive personality of the companions I’ve seen. I’m still not completely sure I liked Rose with a gun or rocket launcher or whatever it was in season four, just because it seemed…out of place. I mean, it looked cool. Still.

      • Kaci says:

        Edit: And I’d be interested in seeing the video when you’re ready.

      • Galadriel says:

        I absolutely love these discussions….
        And to take the last thing first: video is 

         End of Time clips to “The Steward of Gondor” from RotK soundtrack. Love comibing two great geek passions.  The quote “A star fell from the heavens” comes from the Master’s open broadcast, where he found the diamond from the Time Lords. The announcement of a white-point diamond (which can only be found on Gallifrey) frightens the Doctor so much that he picks up the gun Wilf had been trying to force on him.
        Good Man Goes to War–Yeah, I have that sadist side too. I tend to kill off original characters at an alarming rate.  And the last five minutes were pure gold–absolutely gold, building the suspense for viewers before cutting away to the title for next fall. “Let’s Kill Hitler!”

  3. Galadriel says:

    For the new series, I can’t tell if it’s author intrusion/cultural recontextualization or if the idea is the Time War left a bitter taste in his mouth. Maybe both.
    I’ve seen over seven classic seasons, and I think he probably had that tendacy a little originally, but the horror of the Time War made him more sensitive to violence, and paradoxically, more violent when provoked.
    Kind of like someone who doesn’t like meat visits a slaughterhouse…

  4. Kaci Hill says:

    Galadriel – I think the video got pulled; I couldn’t watch.
    On the star – Oh, that’s right. I just forgot what they called it.
     

    Yeah, I have that sadist side too. I tend to kill off original characters at an alarming rate.

     
    You too, huh? Hehe. It’s such a challenge to keep characters alive…

    And the last five minutes were pure gold–absolutely gold, building the suspense for viewers before cutting away to the title for next fall. “Let’s Kill Hitler!”

    I know. ::snicker:: I’m really curious where they’re going with it and 99% sure the title’s a total mislead.

    I’ve seen over seven classic seasons, and I think he probably had that tendacy a little originally, but the horror of the Time War made him more sensitive to violence, and paradoxically, more violent when provoked.
    Kind of like someone who doesn’t like meat visits a slaughterhouse…

    That would make sense.

  5. Kaci Hill says:

    If it’s not too much trouble, I’d  love to see it. If it’s a hassle, no worries. 0=)

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