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That Time a Serial Killer Confessed to Me

Once upon a time, an ordinary conversation slipped into a killer admitting horrific crimes. I’m sharing this story to talk about the nature of evil and also because…
| Aug 1, 2019 | 38 comments |

Those things we’ve experienced ourselves inevitably shape what we write about. I’ve had many experiences that are uncommon–which I’d say is a mixed blessing, because while many of those events were horrible, all of them give me interesting things to write about. And one personal story relates to a serial killer, which I’m about to share here.

When I graduated with a BA in “Modern Foreign Language” from Metropolitan State College of Denver in 1995 (I studied Spanish, French, and German), I felt I had enough of living in Colorado. Though for me, “Colorado” was actually the Denver metropolitan area, the specific place in “the Rocky Mountain state” where I lived. I’d had enough of traffic, enough smog, enough bad driving in Denver the first serious snowfall of every winter, enough crime, etc. Etc.

I was eager to get back to my home state, Montana, which I was to a degree seeing through rose-colored glasses after 6 ½ years in CO. I mean, after all, it was a lack of a job in MT due to a generally poor economy there that had been one of my prime motivations for moving to Colorado in the first place.

In a combination of that rose-colored view along with some Evangelical idealism, I decided I would start a Christian school in Montana. Not that I’d ever taught full-time. Or even been certified as a teacher. Or had been an administrator. But I had energy, plans, and a lot of optimism (and an innate risk-taking personality).

Note that my plans included a lot on curricula and what to teach and how, but not a lot on how to pay the bills to make ends meet. So, after 2 years, the school I began in Dillon, Montana—picking that town not because I had ever lived there before, but because my brother-in-law was a pastor there—closed down due to a lack of funds. Sad for me, but true.

So, paying the bills for my family after that time meant working what jobs were available. Since I’d been trained as a medic in the Army, my best paying opportunity in Dillon was to work in a nursing home as a CNA, Certified Nurse Assistant, a.k.a. an orderly, a.k.a. a professional bottom-wiper. 😉

My last comment reveals some of my humor about what I did—I actually did hate it at first, in part because of a sense of pride in how supposedly bright I am with so many big ideas, and there I was doing that. While failing at the school taught me some of the humility I was lacking (some, because I can always use some more humility), working at the nursing home eventually had an even stronger positive effect on me.

I learned how to really love people in a way I’d never experienced before. To show kindness. To extend mercy.

The nursing home industry (and the nursing profession in general) was and still is dominated by women. I was one of the few men to work as a CNA in Dillon, Montana. And the one clear advantage I had over every woman I ever worked with as a Nurse Aid was I could lift more weight with less strain. Very handy when dealing with heavy patients.

So after working there for three years or so (I spent five years total working in a nursing home and as a home health aid in Dillon), I sometimes was put on a shift for the sole purpose of giving baths. I could get nursing home residents in and out of the tub quicker, with less risk to me and less risk to the resident than pretty much anyone else who worked there.

Bathing residents was a different experience that working the nursing home floor–there, we CNAs were usually in pairs and most of the rooms had multiple people in them. It was not all that often that I was truly alone with a patient. But in the room I bathed patients, we were there by ourselves, the resident and I, with a type of bath that had jacuzzi jets. Nobody outside heard anything we said in there.

One of the residents in the nursing home had the exact same name as an entertainer who had been famous in the early part of the 20th Century (and he’s still a household name). He of course joked about his name often. For the sake of telling this (true) story, let me call him “Jimmy”–which wasn’t his actual name, but was close enough.

I was giving Jimmy a bath and he’d mentioned to me previously that he was a veteran of World War II. And since I had learned to engage the people I worked for in conversation and to get to know them as people (and also was curious about the Second World War), I was asking Jimmy questions about his war experience, where he had been, what it had been like, things like that.

Jimmy wasn’t extremely talkative with me in general, but after a bit on that particular evening, he opened up and spoke about his time in France, including shortly after the Germans were defeated there. I don’t in fact remember his exact words, but I’m going to recreate something he eventually said as best as I can recall it:

“So you know that after the war, we realized that a lot of those French girls had been with the Germans.” He said all this in a gruff, raspy voice shaped by decades of smoking (the consequences of which eventually killed him).

“Ah, yeah, I suppose they were…you know, doing what it takes to make it in the world. But how did you know for sure?”

“Well, I slept with one of them French girls. And afterwards I saw she had a whole bunch of jewels. And those French people were so poor then, I knew she had to have been with one of them Germans. They gave her the jewels.”

“So then what happened?”

Not what “Jimmy” looked like, but close enough. (Russian serial killer Mikhail Popkov, image credit, www.rt.com)

“I killed her! Strangled her. And then I took the jewels.”

I didn’t know what to say. Though I imagine my mouth was open.

“Yeah, she had it coming, helping those damn Jerries! But then I found other girls the same as her. Those that had no jewels I knew were good, but the rich ones I knew had been collaborating with the Germans. So I killed them. And took their jewels. But they deserved it!”

I still had no words.

Public sentiment against women who had consorted with Germans ran high in France in 1944. The typical response though was to forcibly shave their heads, so they’d be known in public. Image credit: rarehistoricalphotos.com

“When I come home, I had a whole duffel bag full of jewelry. And when my folks saw it, they wondered where I got all those jewels. When I told ’em I killed French girls to get them, they looked at me, eyes all wide.” He demonstrated a shocked expression. “But then I told them what them girls had done. And they said, ‘Well all right then–if they were sleeping with Germans, then it was okay. You did good.'”

Then he looked at me. Stared at me. I think he was waiting for me to tell him I thought it was all right, too.

Some part of my mind was wondering if he was really telling a true story. But there was absolutely no reason for him not to tell me the truth. Nothing to gain from this kind of lie. But if I were to offer him understanding as a military man myself (at that point I was already a veteran of the Gulf War and had mentioned that to him), then, well then the conversation had a purpose, a reason. Only if it were true.

I’ve been rather confrontational in my life, speaking truth when it isn’t pleasant, often enough to have had a reputation for it. But I became that way moreso after this particular encounter than I was beforehand. At that particular moment, I said something like (with a dry mouth):

“Well, Jimmy, it’s time to get you out of that tub.” And that’s what I did, got him out of there. And I toweled him off and dressed him and took him back to his room, him for a change speaking more than me, I having fallen silent.

But then I thought about what he told me. Should I tell someone? But who would I tell and how? And was there even a purpose in telling? Jimmy was only a few years from his death (which yes, was pretty evident at the time).

So in the end I did nothing. I didn’t even tell anyone in the nursing home about it. I’m not even really telling them now, even if one of them should read this, because there were two male residents in that place and during that time who had the exact same name as a famous entertainer of the past.

I’m not sure even now why I’m not saying his actual name. It might be because of his family–his children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Should they actually know? But couldn’t they just say they didn’t believe me if they heard?

How many more crimes have been covered up by simple inaction? People not knowing what to say or do. Even people who are normally bold risk-takers like me.

And how common is this sort of thing? How many other ordinary-seeming people have in fact committed horrific crimes? More than most people suspect, I think. Because even most people who do evil know it’s evil and cover it up–or seek to justify it. (Though in fact it’s almost always easier for people to do wrong when they have something to personally gain from evil–in Jimmy’s case, easier to kill and take the jewels than simply kill. And it’s also easier to do evil against people the public looks down upon.)

Note I’m not against portraying evil–I think some of my remarks two weeks ago about the way evil can affect people when portrayed, when normalized, seem to have been mistaken for me saying I am against ever portraying evil. No, I’m fine with showing evil as it is–just not with pretending evil is not evil, for the sake of justifying ourselves (as even Jimmy did). For what it’s worth, I hope my slice-of-life true account benefits someone. At least those of you who sit down to write fictional stories which may include serial killers.

But benefiting others honestly isn’t the only reason I’ve written this. Because like “Jimmy” himself, I’ve been holding onto that story for a while now…

Travis Perry is a hard-core Bible user, history, science, and foreign language geek, hard science fiction and epic fantasy fan, publishes multiple genres of speculative fiction at Bear Publications, is an Army Reserve officer with five combat zone deployments. He also once cosplayed as dark matter.

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Joseph Dindinger
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You know, I’ve often been annoyed at how movies will portray a person who has done horrible crimes as though they didn’t have a care in the world. They’ve killed people, and they are off having a great time. I don’t feel that’s possible, it seems that it would eat at you from inside and grow harder and harder to be happy. I guess I’m asking if having heard this man’s confession, it surprised you, or if you could see that he was living with the guilt?

Sarah Witenhafer
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Sarah Witenhafer

Such admissions are stunning. We don’t know how to process the information and especially given the circumstances of age. I wouldn’t have known what to say either. And while I can hope that I would have gone back to Jimmy to confront him and share the gospel, I probably wouldn’t have.

I had someone admit something to me so casually, in passing. Like throwing a bomb and never putting down your knitting needles. I couldn’t respond.

This is only one small reason we have a debt we cannot pay. Only God is good.

With regard to portraying evil, Heather Ledger is great, tragic lesson in researching and representing such things. It ate his soul.

Travis C
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Thanks for sharing Travis. Talk about a life of interesting experiences! Shoo…. I just finished watching Band of Brothers and was reminded, in the portrayal, of how many women were treated as the Allied forces recovered geography previously taken by the Nazi forces. It brings to mind a reality of the topic that brought us together, warfare, and how even after the war is done, it’s not done. And there are far more casualties, of all kinds, outside of the battlefield and the soldiers fighting than we recognize.

Autumn Grayson
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That must have been so bizarre and upsetting to hear. Maybe it was good for him in a sense. Like, your reaction might have forced him to rethink his actions and realize how wrong they were before he died.

Stories like this are partially why I get irritated at people for angry ‘justice oriented’ speech and behavior. If they have that mindset during normal situations, it could influence them to do bad things in a more serious situation. No one can keep justice oriented speech and behavior out of their lives completely, and now and then that’s a good thing, but most people aren’t as self aware about that stuff as they should be.

notleia
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notleia

What gets me most is that it seems more like he was looking for an excuse to kill women he thought were unclean. They don’t get any leeway for trying to survive the best way they could, they were supposedly deliberately aiding and abetting the enemy so they have to die. Did he kill restaurateurs or merchants who sold them food? No, he killed women, who had even fewer choices for survival.

Just…why the fuck is sex and violence so closely intertwined with men? What kind of lame-ass Freudian shit is this?

Autumn Grayson
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Another thing to consider is that a sexual situation is where he discovered this issue/saw it first hand. In that situation, he was alone with these women and therefore a lot more able to kill and get away with it. And maybe restaurateurs and merchants weren’t paid nearly as much. I do think he was looking for excuses, though. Like, excuses to vent anger toward his enemies and steal/become rich. Sex would have only been one component to this situation.

L.A. Smith
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Amazing what you learn if you just start up a conversation. I’m not surprised you didn’t say anything, I doubt that most of us would. As you say, your first assumption would be that he was lying. Which he could have been, for shock value, I suppose. People do all sorts of things to get attention, after all.

Steve Taylor
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Steve Taylor

The elderly man was confessing his sins to you and wanted an answer. He wanted to know God and forgiveness before he breathed his last breath. He was frightened but would never admit it. You were there to answer his unasked questions.

Romans 10:14-15
How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

Brennan S. McPherson
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Sounds like he had a severe mental illness. Actually sounds a good bit like bipolar mood disorder. Paranoid, risky behavior, driven to substance abuse, slipping into potential hallucinations and delusions. There was obviously more at play here, and I understand why you questioned whether it was true (though it probably WAS true).

Rachel Nichols
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Guilt can do that.

And killing probably came more easily to him as a war veteran. PTSD may have played a role. But the choice was his. Most veterans do not act that way.

But I too wonder if he imagined it. May have been in the early stages of dementia.

Rachel Nichols
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According to the Sermon on the Mount we are murderers if we have ever hated another human being.

Perhaps this man was “losing it” and only fantasized about murdering these French women. Then, late in life, he remembered what only happened in his heart.