1. Kessie says:

    I’m always amused that no Christian, while promoting Narnia hardcore, ever touches on the thing that disturbed us when Mom started reading it aloud. We got to the part about “Adam’s first wife Lilith” and how she wasn’t human, but Eve was. We all looked at each other and went, “Annnnnd … where is he going with this?”
     
    I’ve since been educated in myth and I understand the Lilith reference. But to claim Narnia is a thoroughly Christian book and ignore the way scripture is “twisted” to include mythology is the same as saying Harry Potter is occultic. Both claims somewhat miss the point. There are Christian elements in Narnia, and some are allegorical. But I just hate it when Christians gush about what a wonderful spiritual story it is.
     
    Narnia is just a good kids’ book series with some Christian allegory. It wasn’t to convert anybody. I believe it came about because the Inklings were lamenting the state of preachy, moralistic children’s literature, and how they could all write better stuff. Guess what! We’ve made their work into preachy, moralistic children’s literature!

    • We got to the part about “Adam’s first wife Lilith” and how she wasn’t human, but Eve was. We all looked at each other and went, “Annnnnd … where is he going with this?”

      Yes, no shallow-defending Christian ever talks about that! They just sort of blanch, shake their heads. Nothing to see here. Move on. That’s what I used to do, too. And others do it with slaughters of the Amalekites and things like that, until they wake up one day and realize they’ve been dodging it all their lives and then have a nice excuse to Reject the Faith. (Sometimes they say the adults hid this from them, but I doubt that. All the details are right there in the Book. And skeptics quote them.)

      Understanding Lewis’s views of mythology and redeeming “pagan” elements is absolutely essential to getting truly deeper into the series. Lewis is not your generic evangelical who may think it’s “deep” to make up a different name for Jesus or the Apostle Peter or Mary and Martha, and then stick swords in their hands.

      There are Christian elements in Narnia, and some are allegorical. But I just hate it when Christians gush about what a wonderful spiritual story it is.

      I do believe the Narnia series is still at the top of Christ-exalting fantasy, and better than most. Where I object, along with you, is when people act like Narnia is the sole exception to what is otherwise a genre of story steeped in “occult” material. Narnia is unique, yes, but not that unique, and not for the reasons folks try to cite!

      Narnia is just a good kids’ book series with some Christian allegory.

      In Lewis’s view, it was more than that, though. This is where I start to push back against myself. I don’t mean to imply that Narnia is just as “secular” as another series, or that no symbols are to be found in it. However, I do believe we wrongly identify it primarily, or even secondarily, as being or having “allegory.”

      Hammond in his article rightly said it is a “supposal” of Jesus creating and acting in another world, but evidently he wasn’t interested in pursuing or describing what that means. No, good sir, if you believe it is a “supposal,” that means that in the story-world — working according to its “rules” and not trying to twist the magic for yourself — it is real. There is a real “our world” and a real Narnia. It’s not “allegory” and all those one-to-one correspondences are the most outlandish speculation.

      (In part 2, Aug. 16, I’ll more specifically explore the supposed correspondences.)

      It wasn’t to convert anybody.

      I do agree with Hammond when he correctly says the stories were all about Jesus. They just weren’t about Him in the memorized-facts, it’s-all-just-a-Bible-story-with-other-language fashion he incorrectly assumes they must be.

      I believe it came about because the Inklings were lamenting the state of preachy, moralistic children’s literature, and how they could all write better stuff. Guess what! We’ve made their work into preachy, moralistic children’s literature!

      Alack, reprehensible irony.

      • Kessie says:

        When I read an analysis of The Horse and his Boy that said it was a retelling of Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt, I inwardly screamed bloody murder. I’ve only ever read that in one place. Do you think it is?
         
        Because if a person fleeing the country with critical information about an invasion is a retelling of Moses and the red sea, then half of all spy thrillers are Moses retellings.

  2. Bainespal says:

    I have a tendency to over-allegorize stories, much like Peter Hammond did in that article.  Recently, I’ve realized that trying to make connections with story-elements is a wearying task, and one that is never certain.  You can’t find an allegory or analogy unless you know the material that is being referred to; therefore, if the primary value of a work is allegorical, you can’t really benefit from it without being as smart as its author.

    Peter Hammond wrote:
     

    • Bainespal says:

      Peter Hammond wrote:
       

      The worlds that C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien described in their novels were real worlds with real consequences and real hope. Actions have consequences. When Edmund succumbs to the temptations of the White Witch, he has to pay the consequences, or someone has to pay in his stead. In contrast, the “Harry Potter” books are thoroughly occultic. In their ontology, the world can be manipulated through magic. Things change shape. Nothing is really real.

      I actually think he has a point, even though I agree that he was wrong to accuse Harry Potter. Lewis’s and Tolkien’s worlds both feel much more real and spiritual than Rowling’s, because Rowling doesn’t seem as sensitive to the sense of natural wonder. I’m sure turning beetles into buttons or rats into snuffboxes is not supposed to have any particular significance; it’s not supposed to imply that we should be able to force God’s creation to do our will or that nothing has definite meaning. That silly, light-hearted magic in Harry Potter doesn’t take itself seriously enough to consider the ramifications. This doesn’t make it evil, but in my opinion, it makes it worse as fantasy fiction that either LotR or LWW. Lewis was very sensitive to the philosophical and spiritual ramifications of everything in his works.
      (Apologies for messing up my previous comment.)

      • Galadriel says:

        That’s one of my issues with HP: the magic is not taken seriously enough. Just as many people don’t consider the implications of technology, I suppose.

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  4. Galadriel says:

    Some people were referring to LOTR as Biblically-based the other day, and because I was in an argumentative mood, I tried to point out the distinction between  “inspired/ echoed” and  “based.” I’m not sure I succeeded, but the parallels they pointed out annoyed me no end.
     

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