1. I have to say, I haven’t read these books and have no intention of doing so, but I always tune in for your reviews because I get so many LOLz. 😀 Thanks for the morning amusement! (And I’m sickened by how this book apparently portrays my Savior. Ick.)

  2. Joanna says:

    “What there are, according to Godawa, are the disembodied spirits of deceased nephilim.”

    That just means Brian had been reading Chuck Missler. I don’t know if this theory was around before Chuck, but he’s certainly one of the more well-known supporters of it.

    Also, don’t you dare use Redwall in a put down!

    • I crossed a line there, didn’t I?

      *hollars at the heavens*
      I’m sorry, I take it back! Tell me again about the turnip-‘n-tater-‘n-beetroot-pie! Tell me again of its gurtness! I want to knoooow!

      • Khai says:

        “I was prepared to like this book going in, because I thought it capable of turning the corner from the brute-force tactical heroism featured in its predecessor, David Ascendant, to the strategic subversion pulled off by Christ on the cross.”

        You read Enoch Primordial, so why would you ever think that? I really thought I had purchased a screenplay by mistake.

        I don’t care how Godawa uses the Bible, as long as he connects everything he changes. Heathen me. I think everyone’ s afraid to touch the character of Jesus, so he always stays boring. We’re all secretly insecure because we have to make Him better and more amazing with insight into how divine He was, OR we risk feeling less inspired to faith by Jesus, as in the person he was on earth. The one without the glowing blue eyes and supernatural entourage and obvious signs of heavenly royalty.

        Somehow, Godawa turns him into an action figure. It coulda been an improvement, but from what you’re saying it’s not.

        How can someone with such a great idea tell such an unimaginative story?

        • I guess in some ways Jesus is the great untouchable character … *if* he’s left in this world. He is the Word of God, after all, and one must be very careful when putting words in his mouth, especially if one takes great pains, as Godawa does, to present one’s story as plausible. But transplant Jesus into a fantasy realm and everything becomes easier. Lewis’ Aslan and Dekker’s Justin testify to this fact. Setting the story in a constructed world allows the writer to give his allegorical messiah an actual personality without constantly rubbernecking for heresy. There’s plausible deniability, a necessary layer of distortion. We *know* the writer isn’t trying to say that Jesus is *exactly* like the allegory, which is why it can become more than a mere allegory.

          But *this* story … I dunno. It could’ve felt real. The characters could’ve been rounded out, the description amplified, the dialog improved, the sentiment earned. But those are all matters of craft and pacing. I’m not sure I’d be able to stomach *this* Jesus even if he spoke with Rothfussian eloquence.

          • Khai says:

            I’ve only read Enoch Primordiol. Sounds like insight into ethics was missing from the author’s conception of Jesus the Character. Or maybe it was defined so loosely and did not matter to Godawa. How Jesus’ actions ethically measured up. What kind of demon blood spilling fest this was. What kind of fight you fight ultimately makes the fighter who he is.

            • Khai says:

              I get the feel that this whole series was a little vapid. Like everyone in it was created by a manically stereotyping casting agent to titilate (erotically and otherwise). Plus there’s the sensationalism of trauma, sex and violence (plied for all it’s worth to keep the reader interested) but none of the human psychological impact is explored beneath the surface- lest it stop the plot from sweeping along in “Gladiator” fashion. Unfortunately, none of the respect for real consequences and problems that are experienced in life (and in fiction), is retained in the process. It is sacrificed to the adventure story you read, which leads ultimately to the adventure story cheapening YOU…..Am I close?

      • Joanna says:

        Yes, yes you did. 😀 That’s my childhood you’re talking about right there, with all its tasty repetition. I even found recipes online from all those overdone descriptions, and made some of those dishes.

    • Aron Wall says:

      Joanna,

      I haven’t read these books (and after this review, I never will) but I can tell you tha the “demons are disembodied Nephilim” theory is actually really old, and not only predates Chuck Missler but even predates the New Testament. This theory is in the book of Enoch, certain aspects of which are alluded to in James and 2 Peter, as well as some of the early church writers such as St. Justin Martyr in the 2nd century.

      This is not to say that the theory is true. To me the “fallen angels” theory makes a lot more biblical sense. But even if the idea is kind of lame, it’s worth pointing out that it’s a very OLD lame idea, not some modern innovation.

  3. Audie says:

    Seems like the kind of story that trying to shoehorn popular ideas of “spiritual warfare” into biblical stories that don’t contain it.

  4. notleia says:

    Why don’t we just make more media about the goriest OT stories (Ehud, Jael, basically any of the judges)? Just, go over there and watch the 300 ripoff with biblical trappings, bro-dawgs. We’ll all be a lot happier.

  5. D.M. Dutcher says:

    There’s not much you can do with this subgenre without going weird, or going bland. At least Godawa sounds readable, even if it’s high camp. There’s a ton of spiritually correct, respectful books about Biblical times, and they are perfect to fall asleep reading by.

    More an argument to avoid Biblical times fiction at all, I think. Too tightly constrained to speculate.

    • I wouldn’t go so far as to say one should “avoid Biblical times fiction at all.”

      After all, one of my favorite underappreciated fantasy series was by an author dubbed Douglas Hirt, who wrote a surprisingly classy and in-depth yet “pulpy”-feeling series called The Cradleland Chronicles. Since then I’ve seen plenty of fantasy authors take on this genre–which I could call pre-flood fiction–but Hirt’s trilogy seems the most solid yet fun approach to the idea. He even went so far as to include Nephilim, genetic experiments, and Peretti-like angel/demon warfare. He also included highly speculative yet not-at-all-unbiblical concepts such as Eve surviving to the era of Lamech (Noah’s father), Noah receiving training from a theophany-appearing Christ in the Garden of Eden (before it was removed from Earth), and a Satanic colony on the fifth planet (which of course was vanquished during the Flood). Not kidding.

      But throughout all this the “simple” Gospel was honored and God glorified.

      I have not been able to read Godawa’s fiction. But in general — and perhaps inconsistently, given my enjoyment of “Cradleland” — I’m opposed to going down the “Nephilim” rabbit hole. It seems a theological drug trip, akin to Lewis’s warning about the devil that people can believe in him yet develop an excessive and unhealthful interest in them. I would not say that about Godawa, for sure. But I have seen it in other people, who seem to conclude the only thing worth knowing about from the Bible are things about “the antichrist” and demons and Nephilim. In other words, they ignore Jesus/Gospel and want to scavenge Scripture for parts to build a haunted house.

      As I mentioned a few years ago in Just Reached My Fill of ‘Nephilim’:

      I can count on one hand, possibly two, the cases of people I’ve encountered — including a Christian bookstore patron and a Pizza Hut manager — who act as if the sum total of the Bible’s message is that Demons Are Among Us, like the Nephilim. That’s too many cases.

      What’s the worst truth of Genesis 6? It’s not verse 4. It’s verse 5: “The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” God in His Word draws no causal relationship between demons or Nephilim acting up and man’s evil. Sin here isn’t demons’ fault. It’s mankind’s.

      Why then do people insist on treating Scripture as just another Ancient Text that holds the secret supernatural conspiracy secrets of ancient times? One answer: they’re suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18) . Disregard Gospel, acquire conspiracy secrets.

      • D.M. Dutcher says:

        Sounds like just another flavor of weird. I like weird, but not many people do and Christians tend to get angry about any weirdness even close to the Biblical narrative. The idea of Nephilim was to somehow create a theological justification to be weird, because the audience rarely would read tradiditional weird SF or fantasy. But put the Bible on it…(or in this case the Book of Enoch.)

        • You’d think that … but then you get to the end of the book and realize that the author’s still talking, and that he’s telling you about obscure historical connections and underappreciated sources and neglected interpretations and etymological curios and … and you realize that none of it seems weird to him. None of it at all.

          • dmdutcher says:

            Oh, yeah you get people who also believe it too. Geek expressions in Christianity tend to stuff like that, or the 4 blood moons, or various errata and heresy.

    • If biblical fiction is bland, it’s because Christian authors are cowardly. There’s plenty of kindling for a rip-roarin’ tale of darring-do set in Biblical times, but it requires a strong stomach to set it alight — something not terribly common in evangelicalism today. I thought ‘David Ascendant’ was better than ‘Jesus Triumphant,’ partly because it endowed most of its cast with a dark side. But that approach doesn’t work with Jesus, and never will. “Biblical fiction” encompasses much more than “Jesus fiction.”

      • dmdutcher says:

        They’ve had 60 plus years of trying, starting with Ben Hur. It doesn’t seem to me to be a genre you can do a lot of rip roar with. I guess it doesn’t help that when publishers think Biblical fiction, they see Brock and Bodie thorne romances.

        • LM Burchfiel says:

          Actually, Ben-Hur the book was written in 1880.
          EIGHTEEN. EIGHTY.
          By a former Civil War general.
          Charlton Heston just made its last pop-culture impression 60+ years ago.

          I think I need to go look at kitty pics now.

  6. ionaofavalon says:

    So… It’s Jesus meets the Justice League co-starring the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as the Archangels? Uriel=Michelangelo

What do you think?