1. I think there is definitely a latitude for exploring those questions. However, there is a line where exploring what the world would be like if God were malicious without ever differentiating that this malicious God is not the real God (I believe that particular theme is explored in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials). In the end, our meaning needs to be clear to the reader. The real God isn’t like that. I believe somewhere in our stories there should be truth. Or else we can run the risk of confusing our readers.

    • Zoe says:

      Yeah, but Pullman’s goal in life is to destroy the Catholic Church and theism in general, and he’s not shy about saying so. He wrote Dark Materials to be an antithesis to the Chronicles of Narnia, which he hates, and he’s not shy about saying that either. I think there’s a world of difference between an atheist trying to attack the Church, Christianity, and faith, and a Christian exploring beliefs they know aren’t true in order to understand better what -is- true. Anyway, as I said to Kaci elsewhere, I think a clever storyteller can show a belief or way of life to be false (or at least worthless) without overtly attacking or dismantling it in the story. Mark Twain did in Huckleberry Finn.

  2. Great column, Kaci — it was the first thing I read this morning!

    Indeed, Morgan, and I think this is one of the parameters Christians should follow as they are exploring other speculations to which God’s Word would not be closed. That should not be because we feel constrained by some kind of rule, but because we don’t want to deny, even implicitly in a story, some truth that God has shown to us, because we love Him. Moreover, we may not (or should not) see the point in such a deviation.

    One of the best examples of this comes from C.S. Lewis’s novel Perelandra, in which a former scientist, who has fallen into Satanic mysticism, is seemingly possessed by the Devil and comes to an Eden-like planet to tempt the “Eve” equivalent of that world:

    “But you remember we are not to live on the Fixed Land.”

    “No, but He has never forbidden you to think about it. Might not that be one of the reasons why you are forbidden to do it—so that you may have a Might Be to think about, to make Story about as we call it?”

    In her innocent, the Lady is confused by the Un-Man’s encouragement to “make [a] Story” about something she knows her Creator, Maleldil, would forbid in real life. Finally the Lady, with help from the story’s hero Dr. Ransom, stumbles upon a profound line of reasoning against the Un-Man (which soon forces him to change strategies):

    [. . .] “It is not from the making a story that I shrink back, O Stranger,” she answered, “but from this one story that you have put into my head. I can make myself stories about my children or the King [her husband]. I can make it that the fish fly and the land beasts swim. But if I try to make the story about living on the Fixed Island I do not know how to make it about Maleldil. For if I make it that He has changed His command, that will not go. And if I make it that we are living there against His command, that is like making the sky all black and the water so that we cannot drink it and the air so that we cannot breathe it. But also, I do not see what is the pleasure of trying to make these things.” (Boldface emphases added)

    A couple of years ago I explored more of this in C.S. Lewis and the forbidden fruits of fiction (that’s where I copied these quotes, when I copied them there from the book).

    Other negative examples, of course, include the infamous The Shack, which “speculates” far outside Biblical parameters — as if its author does not care about “Maleldil” and feels fine with writing a story about “living on the fixed land,” contrary to “Maleldil’s” revealed will, as long as the higher goal of Fighting Legalism is held.

    (By the way, despite my criticism I am trying to get hold of a copy of The Shack for research into pop-evangelical miscolorings of God, so if anyone has a copy he/she would like to get rid of, do let me know; perhaps we can arrange something!)

  3. Thought provoking post. I think you’re on to something Kaci. We can learn by negative example as well as by positive example.

    What Pullman did was call the church and God evil and call Satan good. But that’s not what I think you mean, Kaci. I think you mean we can paint a world run by by petty Greek gods (or something of the sort) and see how we like that place, and that might make us less apt to call the real, loving God of the Bible an ogre when he exercises justice. Am I understanding you?

    Stephen, I have a copy of The Shack but mine is all underlined and has notes in the margins, (mostly, “ugh” ) and I don’t think I can part with it. 🙂

    • Stephen, I have a copy of The Shack but mine is all underlined and has notes in the margins, (mostly, “ugh” ) and I don’t think I can part with it.

      While I’d love to see that, mostly for the tragicomic impact, I completely understand!

  4. Kaci Hill says:

    Morgan and Sally – As far as Pullman goes, the irony with that trilogy is how much discussion on God’s nature he’s fostered as a result. Elf wasn’t really trying to promote a “karma god” either, but it too fostered discussion on what God is like. Or isn’t like. But since Elf didn’t have theology in mind and His Dark Materials, evidently (sorry, I really don’t know much beyond not liking Golden Compass as a kid), was hostile in intent, neither come from that “what if” vein. I do think that the irony with Pullman stands on its own, however.

    But that’s not what I think you mean, Kaci. I think you mean we can paint a world run by by petty Greek gods (or something of the sort) and see how we like that place, and that might make us less apt to call the real, loving God of the Bible an ogre when he exercises justice. Am I understanding you?

    Yes ma’am. Consider this: I honestly could barely stomach the Iliad and the Odyssey (or Ovid’s Metomorphosis, for that matter) because the Greco-Roman gods could easily make me a very hostile theist (re: a person who believes the gods exist and despises them). I have an irrational hatred for them.

    However, I really, really enjoyed C.S. Lewis’ Till We Have Faces, which twists an old myth and explores the nature of the divine.

    However, there is a line where exploring what the world would be like if God were malicious without ever differentiating that this malicious God is not the real God (I believe that particular theme is explored in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials). In the end, our meaning needs to be clear to the reader. The real God isn’t like that.

    I suppose in a theoretical world where a Christian took His Dark Materials and rewrote them, the treatment would be more clearly experimental. But a Christian author would be more likely to include a character who points out the emperor is naked, so to speak. It’d be a bit more thematic, depending on the ability of the author to craft a plausible story where the malicious god is unveiled as a fraud. Course…there’s also The Wizard of Oz…

    Actually, one writer who tackled God’s nature (whether she meant to or not) superbly is Karen Hancock. She did it in Light of Eidon, and she did it again in The Enclave.

    I believe somewhere in our stories there should be truth. Or else we can run the risk of confusing our readers.

    I agree with you on that, but I’m also going to be a bit of a goober and also point out that fellow Christians should be able to say “this isn’t right.” But that’s me, and I”m…weird. I probably wouldn’t argue the point with a non-Christian audience.

    Stephen – Indeed, Morgan, and I think this is one of the parameters Christians should follow as they are exploring other speculations to which God’s Word would not be closed. That should not be because we feel constrained by some kind of rule, but because we don’t want to deny, even implicitly in a story, some truth that God has shown to us, because we love Him. Moreover, we may not (or should not) see the point in such a deviation.

    It’s an approach thing.

    Oh, one other was The Song of Albion Trilogy, where Llew, though not God, is portrayed as the one person who cannot be accused of transgression in Albion, and, therefore, is the only one able to judge the wicked. (Lawhead, I discovered, was exploring the concept of sovereignty, and I am still fascinated by it.)

    Other negative examples, of course, include the infamous The Shack, which “speculates” far outside Biblical parameters — as if its author does not care about “Maleldil” and feels fine with writing a story about “living on the fixed land,” contrary to “Maleldil’s” revealed will, as long as the higher goal of Fighting Legalism is held.

    I haven’t read the book, and probably never will, mostly because what I’ve heard doesn’t sound that interesting. The back cover reads overly sentimental and almost mushy, and that just doesn’t appeal to me. Theology aside.

    (By the way, despite my criticism I am trying to get hold of a copy of The Shack for research into pop-evangelical miscolorings of God, so if anyone has a copy he/she would like to get rid of, do let me know; perhaps we can arrange something!)

    Heathen. 😉

    Oh, and there actually is a book that explores the ramifications of Jesus never being resurrected. It’s called A Skeleton in God’s Closet. It’s about an archeologist who finds a skeleton that might belong to Jesus of Nazareth. I read it in high school. Or middle school, one.

  5. I will agree with the whole lesser gods idea. I read the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series (yes, I did like it, the humor is great), but I also went away grateful that our God doesn’t go around having children, then going back to Mt Olympus while the children left behind try to figure out their lives.

    What I thought you meant was to write a story about what is decidedly untrue about God, even if its to explore that possibility. So many people are reading books without discernment (Christians included), why would we want to put more false stuff out there for them to stumble through? Unless you also show the truth (reveal the impostor behind the curtain to use the Wizard of Oz illustration). Then I could understand writing such a book.

    • Kaci says:

      More like what the person believes about God might not be true. For myself, I don’t think of fictional Christ-figures/types as actually God, so even if it’s accurate, it’s only an illustration to me.

      The thing with the Wizard of Oz is, he isn’t really a wizard, nor is he from Oz. So in umasking the false god in that way is to prove them demonic, not divine.

      People reading with their brains off and Christians not knowing their own faith is probably a tangent I’d best not start on. 0=)

  6. Kaci says:

    Addendum: I suppose there’s a difference between a character’s belief about God and actually putting a false version of him in there.

    • Yeah, I think you hit on the difference (forgive me, I do not know how to do the quotes thing ;P)

      “I suppose there’s a difference between a character’s belief about God and actually putting a false version of him in there.”

      The first one, the character(s) are the ones who have the skewed vision of God. Through characters we can explore the thoughts that are out there about God.

      Its the second one that would make me uncomfortable as a writer, this is, putting a false version of God in a book. I’m definitely a flawed human being and I know in my writing of him I do not even come close to revealing all of who he is. But I strive to come close.

      *I can tell I’ve been reading a medieval book… my words seem a bit more flowery lol

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  8. Galadriel says:

    I like that quote from Perelandra(one of my favorite books). To build on it–authors could, for example, make Story about a world with multiple seniant races, or spaceships, or telepathy–because God could have done that. But (to continue with the Lewis imagery) one cannot make a story where “the Sun rose one day and were a black sun, or you drank water and it were dry water….Aslan is not Aslan.” One might, like the Dwarves in Last Battle, believe in dry water and black sun, but it could not be.

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