1. Joanna says:

    I’m going to be the annoying purest and point out that the Magician’s House is only invisible in the terrible movie. It was always completely visible and totally normal. It was only the inhabitants who were harder to see!
     
    The whole group of them even spent the night in the house, for no one would ask someone to go upstairs at night, the Duffulpuds tell Lucy when they first inform her of the task.

  2. Excellent, excellent article! I’ve tried to write a similar article, but I lack the depth to pull it off. Now I can just link to this one.

  3. literaturelady says:

    I guess my only question is why we use the word “magic” to describe both good and evil supernatural power.  It’s like calling married relations and unlawful relations “adultery.”  Does that make sense?
     
    Thank you for discussing this controversial topic!
     
    Blessings,
    Literaturelady

    • Thanks for your response.

      I guess if we were to limit the use of any word that can be abused for negative purposes we’d have to also limit quite a few. The word “worship” would be one depending on who or what you are worshiping.
      I don’t believe the word itself is evil in any way. It is the context in which it is used that gives it meaning.
      Chris

      • literaturelady says:

        Thanks for replying!  Your explanation makes sense, and yeah, words can be abused.  But my question was: “why use the name of Satanic power in our world to refer to both evil and good power in a fantasy world?” Not abuse of the word, necessarily, but why it has a double meaning in fantasy worlds.
         
        Just mulling everything over here…
         
        Blessings,
        Literaturelady

      • But my question was: “why use the name of Satanic power in our world to refer to both evil and good power in a fantasy world?”

        I’d ask who called Satanic power in our world “magic.”

        Answer: pagans.

        So why should we do what they say? They’re pagans.

        Even if we knew the Devil does use the label “magic,” well, he lies. He’s the Devil.

        Furthermore, Christians often overestimate the Devil’s power or influence, and how much fantasy-world magic reflects that. While demons certainly can cause negative influence on people, that is never without personal invitation, and never over and against a person’s willingness — e.g., “demon possession” in the sci-fi body-taken-over-by-an-entity variety does not happen. Even more confidently can I say that many “magic” acts some Christians suspect are real — including family curses, “infested” objects, or even flying brooms or effective spells — are not within the Devil’s power. Satan’s chief deception is in getting people to delude themselves, or to believe that he has more power than he does.

        • Literaturelady says:

          Wow, I never considered it that way.  Now I have a lot of pondering to do, and that’s one reason I so enjoy these discussions!  Thanks for replying!
           
          Blessings,
          Literaturelady

    • I guess my only question is why we use the word “magic” to describe both good and evil supernatural power.

      Adding to what Christopher wrote about, my simple response would be:

      Because Scripture never forbids this.

      • Literaturelady says:

        I never thought of that.  Thanks for replying!
         
        Blessings,
        Literaturelady

      • Scripture may not say, “Don’t use the word magic when you tell stories about God’s power.” But Stephen — we have a good example in Scripture, don’t we? Doesn’t the Word make a distinction?
         
        I haven’t done an exhaustive search, but off the top of my head, it seems that there is always a difference. The wrong use of supernatural powers is referred to as witchcraft and sorcery… the proper use is called something else. Miracle, etc.
         
        Hmm… then again, “signs and wonders” have been attributed to both good and bad folks. And prophecy has been on both sides “false prophets” and true. Curses seemed to be used on both sides, too.
         
        But still, I don’t think “magic” was ever attributed as a good, Godly thing. The implication was always that “magic” (sorcery, divination, witchcraft) was outlawed and drew its power source from evil spiritual beings.
         
        Which is exactly why the Christian world is somewhat divided on the topic of Narnia and whether it is “of God” or “beneficial as Christian entertainment” or not, since it is not very precise in its use of the word “magic”. Just think how much division and controversy could have been avoided if Lewis hadn’t chosen that word or used it so loosely. 
         
        I’m not saying it can never be used in a positive light… just thinking out loud about pros and cons.

    • Kirsty says:

      Is it not more like calling them both sex?

      • Literaturelady says:

        I don’t think so (personally) because magic is forbidden for all people in all circumstances–whereas sex between a married couple is sacred and not evil in and of itself (although it can be abused).  Does that make sense?
         
        Blessings,
        Literaturelady

        • Makes perfect sense, though I don’t fully agree with the premise of your argument.

          The Bible never outlaws the the word “magic”, especially in regards to storytelling. Or, to use your example, neither does it prohibit us from writing about characters who engage in sex outside of the confines of marriage (the Bible itself refers to this many times) – Samson is one that comes to mind.

          Daniel seemed unconcerned to be given the title of ‘chief of magicians’ in King Nebuchadnezzar’s court. One might think if the Bible wanted us to be more concerned about the use of such names in storytelling it would make this point a bit clearer. He didn’t have trouble refusing the red meat, why not the title of magician?

          Proverbs 17:8 says “A bribe is like a magic stone in the eyes of the one who gives it; wherever he turns he prospers.” (I’m using the ESV)

          One might also say when Christ tells us “if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you” a certain kind of magic is at work. If I didn’t know better (and I do) his example might conjures images of a wizard more than an apostle. Why not say “nothing is impossible for God” instead of “nothing is impossible for you”? The way he words it, it might feel a lot more like ‘magic’ than a miracle.  Speaking to a mountain and it responds? (To be clear: I know it is an allegory about faith, not magic or miracles)

          Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying God wants us to be magicians (in the Occult sense of the word) anymore than he wants us to be actual fools (in the mental sense of the word) but I also don’t see the word or concept of magic (when used under the authoritative headship of Christ) as being wrong – especially in the presuppositional use of fictional storytelling.
          We should be careful not to make ourselves slaves to a standard of living that Christ does not call us to. If we do, we are no better than the Pharisees who heaped unnecessary laws and restrictions upon the people of God. 

          Oh…and please don’t think I’m comparing you to a Pharisee, that isn’t my intention at all. Their hearts and intentions were wicked and I believe you are genuinely concerned about the use of magic in stories. The spirit of discernment is not something to be taken lightly and I thank you for continuing the discussion and for sharing your points of view. I always enjoy hearing from those who may disagree with me.

          Praise God he is with us to help us through our wrestling with Scripture.

          God Bless,
          Chris

          • Literaturelady says:

            Thank you for replying!  As I said to Mr. Burnett above, you’ve given me a lot to think about.  🙂
            And by the way, I’m all for living in freedom and not legalistic standards!
             
            Blessings,
            Literaturelady

  4. Lex Keating says:

    Nicely methodical argument. 🙂
     
    One element you drew out of the collective body by implication is the idea that Magic, whether Deep or Dark, is a matter of understanding. Paraphrasing here, but Aslan says in LWW that the White Witch didn’t understand the Deep Magic engraved on the Stone Table. He allows this misunderstanding so that he can not only rescue Edmund, but ultimately triumph over her. Throughout the series, there is running suggestion that if we understood more, we would be better. Lewis seems to have been consistent with this, but I don’t think it’s entirely accurate.
     
    We have all met people who do not repent of their “transgressions.” They haven’t done anything wrong. If they can explain enough, if you understood their point of view, you would see that they haven’t really sinned. They are excused from any need to repent or face consequences, because it’s not their fault. You just don’t have enough information yet to understand. This kind of argument sounds “human”, but it can be shown to be demonic as well (Gen. 3:4-5). I’m not saying Lewis is evil in this argument, but there are plenty of people with good spiritual compasses that say, “No excuses here.”
     
    Not a lot of fantasy lovers in that group, I’m afraid. We’re often very ready to say, “No, let me explain. You just don’t understand yet.” We want, I think, others to share our perspective, rather than submitting ourselves to having God’s perspective. Lewis made invitations to that viewpoint in Narnia, but more like he was leading an expedition to a rare waterfall than like he had arrived and was relaying step-by-step instructions. Some of us, it seems, would rather follow a map than create a new one.
     
    I do agree that Lewis tried to give very clear illustrations of the difference between the power of God and the magic of Satan. One is true power, the other a cheap counterfeit. As are all of Satan’s temptations to distract people from the good gifts God offers.

    • Thanks for your reply Lex. 

      I’m not entirely clear as to which side of the point you are trying to make. So I’ll just address my perspective and see which side we both land on. 

      Ignorance of evil is not an excuse for sin. One can be sincere in their beliefs and be sincerely wrong. If I hold a gun to my head, believing the chamber to be empty, and pull the trigger…I will die. There is nothing (apart from miraculous intervention) that will keep that bullet from entering my skull.

      Likewise, the Bible seems to be very clear about the natural state of all men’s hearts. Romans 3:10 declares that there are none righteous – not even one. If this is true it is equally true that there is no way to “explain enough” as you have said above, “to see that they haven’t really sinned”. For all have, indeed, sinned. 

      That’s the hardest part of the gospel to grasp – but the first and most necessary. Until one recognizes the state of their nature (that their hearts are marred by sin and unable to enter the Kingdom of heaven) they will have no chance of redemption. 

      I’ll admit, Lewis and I would not likely see eye-to-eye on every theological subject we chose to discuss. I’m pretty sure he denied belief in “total depravity” though in other writings he would declare “we all sin” and are “in some respects a horror to God” and “vile.” Even so, when it comes to the freedom of stories to explore wondrous impossibilities, and the reality that God is supreme over all (even the darkest hour of humanity)…he and I agree.
       

  5. Good article!  I like your thoughts on the magician’s book; that has always been a confusing and troubling part of Narnia for me.
    We had a guest pastor this Sunday who made a point about magic during his sermon which I thought was excellent.  He pointed out that God makes contact with man on His terms, usually through prophets He appoints, but sorcery/the occult/witchcraft is man’s attempt to manipulate the divine (or supernatural) for their own purposes.  It’s an attempt to control God and have power over Him or the things in His world, and that is why it is so wicked.

  6. That is why I am so baffled by Christians who shudder at the thought of an evil sorcerer or witch in fiction, but are perfectly fine with murder mysteries. Why? Are they not both representations of evil? Are not both demonstrated in the Bible?

    Great point! It helps to have talking points for times when this sort of discussion comes up. This sort of parallel is very helpful for drawing people out of long-ingrained mindsets. 

  7. So happy to see your conclusion towards the end — that ALL “magic” is really sourced in the Deep Magic. There is no supernatural power without Him. Even the demons were originally angels He created.
     
    Many times I come back to the scripture in Romans that states “Whatever is not of faith is sin.” With the understanding that “faith” is the absolute trust and belief-to-the-point-of-action in what God has said, then to me it becomes obvious how this applies to “magic”. When we take matters into our own hands out of fear that God will not come through, it’s a problem. In mundane or in supernatural activity, when our motives are selfish it is still wrong.
     
    Part of the challenge, I think, when it comes to the Occult, is that the body of Christ is not united in the belief that God has a superior alternative to the power that can be wielded by those involved in witchcraft. Some Christians understand that occult stuff is real, and they know it’s dangerous. They sometimes even admit the appeal that it has because of the promise of power.
     
    But it saddens me to see that many do not believe that there is a superior miraculous power at work in the earth today. In the power of Jesus, people are being raised from the dead, prophecies are spoken that come true, people operate in knowledge they gained purely through hearing from God, physically impossible miracles occur that defy science (things appearing or disappearing or transporting miraculously, etc).

     
    It’s not “mainstream”, so not everyone believes it’s actually happening. But to me, it’s obviously a reality. The terms “natural” and “supernatural” are scientific terms that are sourced from a mistaken belief that there’s a difference. Supernatural things are perfectly natural to those who are used to it being a part of their lives. There is no “spiritual” and “physical” — it is all part of one fabric. Layered. Maybe call it “multi-dimensional”. Separate, perhaps, but not completely unrelated. Land and sea are very different — but they are both part of one planet. We just don’t have enough of the whole picture to see how “natural” and “supernatural” fit together. 
     
    Anyway… rambling now. Thanks for the great article and discussion!

    • Great point. 
      I find Acts 16:16-24 a great inspiration when realizing that all magic (even the evil kind) is granted its power from God himself. It’s not like there is some “new power” being called on that is bigger than or equal to God. He is always in control of it. He can take it away from them in a snap.
      All power and authority under heaven is given to him.
      Chris

  8. D.M. Dutcher says:

    What’s always odd about this is that people focus on Narnia, but That Hideous Strength  never seems to come up. In that book, the plan is for an awakened Merlin to channel the powers of the roman gods planetary oyarsa to destroy the fascist organization taking over all of Britain. Merlin is an odd character; a devout Christian, yet also a pagan sorcerer  and there’s themes where magic at one time might have been somewhat lawful to use, but not now. Merlin is a man good enough to use, and not good enough to be a saint. If I had a copy, I would quote lines. 
     
    You could have a field day with the symbolism on that one, and the rules that it breaks. I think we forget though that Lewis was classically educated, and for them there wasn’t the whole divorce from the idea of pagan antiquity as some form of pre or proto-christianity. Things like the idea of the virtuous pagan, and sort of a friendliness with myth as myth are things modern Christians really don’t have today. Like in Narnia, the pagan is seen as kind of a natural virtue in itself, but always subservient to Aslan. It is only at Aslan’s command do the wood and river gods rise up and conquer the Telmarines in Prince Caspian. 

    edit: it’s hard to explain. Sort of paganism that exists, yet bows the knee to Christ. Maybe one of the more erudite who read the blog could do a better job commenting on it than I.

    • I’ll be delving into Lewis’ use of mythological gods in future posts. I must admit, I’ve never read That Hideous Strength in one sitting. (blushes in shame) 
      Looking forward to your comments in the future.

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